You could also pop something into the version tag and it’d be displayed with album name.
Hi all, I enjoied the duscussion and here are my 2 cents: due to the fact my collection is made 90% of 16/44 rip and the rest in various formats, and because everything that is overstamped hides parts of the cover and I prefer less but useful information, let’s assume 16/44 as the resolution base and write nothing on the album when it is in CD format. It can be an option after “Show album format on browser” followed by "Hide "
Seems like a good idea.
I wonder how a CD that has been ripped with software that was instructed that it was a higher resolution (e.g., 24/96) would be identified. Would it be 16/44.1 or 24/96?
If Roon is “tricked” by the ripping software to think it is a 24/96 recording, this would be a problem. If this is the case, it may be simpler/better to keep it as CD – assuming that we cannot have an option to choose “CD” or "16/44.1.
A disc that is not 16 bit 44.1 kHz would not be a CD. No such thing as a 24 bit 96 kHz “CD.”
AJ
I think there would need to be a choice as a lot of people wouldn’t know what 16 44 meant but would understand CD.
AJ –
What you state is absolutely true.
However, it is possible to tell ripping software that the CD resolution is higher and, when Roon processes it, Signal Path indicates that the recording was made at the higher resolution.
This doesn’t change the actual resolution of the recording but it does change how the resolution is identified. Other than having a larger file size, it doesn’t seem to have any impact on the quality of the copy.
So, going back to the original question – if CD is not used, which resolution would Roon use in this instance?
John, CD ripping software would not “change how the resolution is identified.” It could upsample to a rate greater than 16 bit 44.1 kHz. But there is almost no legitimate reason to do so at the ripping stage. And if upsampling is performed at any stage, then the audio no longer is “CD” nor 16 bit 44.1 kHz.
AJ
I am recording a bunch of old LPs. I capture them at 16/44.1. They show in Roon with the CD designation. I lol.
They will at 16/44 that’s CD resolution.
or add another marker? one for media format and one for resolution. Etc.
SACD DSD64
CD 16/44.1
Digital 16/44.1
DVD-A 16/48
Vinyl 24/96
You can use versions for this. I use Cassette in audiobook tapes I have digitised
Perhaps an extra icon (such as the ones for Live, Compilation, etc.) could be introduced for albums that have [Vinyl] after their title? In other words, have a numerical resolution marker on the album cover in the album browser for 16/44, plus an extra icon for Vinyl format.
I suppose this topic is old and the Roon people clearly don’t think the ideas here have merit. But I’m constantly annoyed by the inflexibility. Why can’t we toggle the “CD” moniker for 16/44.1 to be consistent? Seems like such a simple option to implement (speaking as a non-programmer, lol).
Cheers,
Robert
I think the option for 16/44 instead of CD makes sense
DSD64 does not equal SACD
PCM16/44 no longer equals CD
It made sense, and I totally see why the Roon team would decide this, but I agree we are beyond being tied to formats defining our files.
Of course DSD64 is the same as SACD and 16/44.1 is the same as CD.
The source for a DSD64 album may not be a SACD and the source for a 16/44.1 album may not be a CD, but that does not mean the respective formats are not the same.
Note: Roon shows DSD64 tracks as DSD64 tracks.
Jesus you guys need to get out more if this keeps you awake at night. Oh we can’t right now again, carry on then.
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I had also requested this feature separately; sorry I hadn’t noticed this current earlier thread.
As far as I see it there are a few problems with the current bit depth/sample rate display in in Roon. The main one is that the bit depth/sample rate indicator gives the bit depth/sample rate for every format except for 16/44, where it says “CD” (in the album selection view). I would agree with what is discussed above, that this is misleading as it suggests that the music has come from a CD, which it may not have done. It’s also an inconsistent approach.
The second related issue, what @Derek_Morais has hinted at, is that a “source” metadata option is missing from Roon. Users should be able to specify whether the album source is CD, vinyl, web, cassette, Tidal, etc etc, with this shown along with the bit depth/sample rate. You can add these as tags but that is not as slick. Contrary to what some users above seem to believe, source and bit depth/sample rate are not the same thing.
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16/44.1 is not always the same as CD. That is true only if it’s 16/44.1 WAV. 44.1/44.1 FLAC, ALAC, etc. are not the same as CD.
Strange, I have never seen a “CD” bitrate indicator, probably because all of my 16/44 is in FLAC, and always show as “FLAC 44.1kHz 16bit”. That leads me to believe that the “CD” indicator is reserved for 16/44 WAV.
Are you in the overall album browser, rather than looking at an individual album?