Alexa voice control? “Alexa a colossal failure, losing $10B, big layoffs” (Ars Technical)

They said it’s all safe when Alexa was new, then there were the leaks of random low-pay employees routinely listening to recordings for improvement, and not all of them started with “Alexa”.

From the link,

When you speak to Alexa, a recording of what you asked is sent to Amazon’s servers so our systems for speech recognition and natural language understanding can process and respond to your request.

That’s the part I might even be fine with if there was a guarantee that it only starts recording after “Alexa”. But there isn’t.

One of the comments on the Ars Technica article:

Weird. It’s almost as if people don’t want an always-on, always listening microphone sending recordings of their private conversations and…other moments to The Cloud™ for processing for monetization and data profiling. Who’d have thought?

To be fair, Amazon allow that there can be “false wakes” - but as the device signals that it is recording, and you have the ability to review and delete those recordings, then I think that’s acceptable.

What I am less comfortable with is the fact that Alexa will be another channel for targeted advertising, and I don’t think I can stop that.

Everyone must decide for themselves, it is completely unacceptable to me. Once it’s recorded, I don’t even know whether a delete on my part has any effect.

And yeah advertising.

Plus the sheer creepiness of it all means that their would have to clear a high bar to make me agree. People have cooked parallel dishes without the help of Alexa for millennia :slight_smile: The Alexa with a camera for the bedroom (supposedly so that it can recommend clothing, a task that would be completely impossible without it) was too much for me :joy:

And yet almost half the households in the UK apparently now have a form of voice assistant installed…

With my moderator hat on, while this is developing into an interesting discussion and because of that fact, I think I should move it out of the #roon category and into the #off-topic category… However, keep going…

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Alexa, keep going.

…and what was her response?

Also, my son has a friend named Alexa. She comes over a few times a month. I wouldn’t wish that name on anyone.

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Yeah it was a thoughtless choice on Amazon’s part, it’s obvious that it would impact real people. At least, Siri and Cortana were not common first names. Though I think some were christened Siri since :joy: Cortana probably not so much

I do know two Siri’s, though neither has come over to the house in the last couple years. No Cortana’s, yet.

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I don’t use voice devices myself.

But without experience myself, I think the technology is far too primitive.
“Wake up words”? Pfft. My family members understand when I’m talking to them, without a wake-up word. Even the two-year old grandkid. The cat, that’s a little iffy.

Today’s systems are all about simple commands, I would want contextually aware conversation. But that is difficult to do reliably, which is why they mostly don’t try. There have been several articles recently about the challenges, especially when we try building a home robot. If we are discussing things in the house, and I say “put it in the dishwasher” and the robot doesn’t understand the contextual referent of “it” and puts the cat in the dishwasher… Contextual understanding is not about parsing, it’s about experience with the world. You can imagine teaching the computer that living things don’t go in the dishwasher. But neither does the zoom lens. But a diamond ring does well in the dishwasher. But the wood handled cutlery that I bring out only for festivities does not. A CD can survive it, a USB stick probably not.

(From this article: What’s wrong with Google’s new robot project :
One particularly vivid example of this comes from the French company Nabla, that explored the utility of GPT-3 as a medical advisor:



Maayan Harel drew this great illustration for Rebooting AI, of a robot being told to put everything in the living room away:

Why am I so fixated on context? Because of the nature of Roon. It understands the music and the musicians.

This is a great bassist.
It’s Stephan Crump, he often plays with Vijay Iyar, has been in Iyer’s trio together with Marcus Gilmore on drums.
Oh, yeah, I remember I bought some albums directly from him, had an interesting conversation.
Yes, those were with Jen Chapin. Added in 2008. Crump has been very active recently, lots of albums in the library, and several new ones we haven’t added but available on Tidal and Qobuz.
Why don’t you bring them in, I’ll listen to them later.
And Crump has some albums on his web site, but that’s for downloading, they cost money.
Ok, we’ll wait until I’ve listened to some more, I’ll decide later.
By the way, remember we had a parallel situation: Crump is married to Chapin, and there was a similar couple, Rebecca Martin composing and singing with her husband on bass, Larry Grenadier.
Of course, Grenadier has done a lot of great work! A solo album, what’s it called?
The Gleaners. One of your favorites. And both of the performed on a Paul Motian album, very unusual, Motian almost never uses vocalists.
Ok, a lot of interesting stuff. Why don’t you put together a play list that browses among those people, I’ll listen to it later. For now, let’s continue with Iger.

That would be a conversational partner I would pay money for.

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But see my discussion here about voice control for Roon. That’s not off topic.

Agreed - but I would argue that “Alexa a colossal failure, losing $10B, big layoffs” is… :slightly_smiling_face:

Oh yes, chatbots. Another area fraught with difficulties…

We have a few Alexas one for front room to control my hue lights but it’s frustrating most of the time. Kids have them in bedrooms mainly use it as a clock and for Spotify connect, lights and the occasional fart gag. They are pretty useless in the scheme of things.

Ah, but has anyone been cruel/crazy enough to name their child “Hey Google”? :grinning:

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I don’t know about “OK Google” (I think it is) but …

I have looked at the capture logs and retention of data related to voice assistants. I have wound-back all permissions on the phones in the house with regards to apps and microphone access and even use the ability of the custom launcher on my Android devices to provide me access to toggle all phone sensors on or off for peace of mind.

30 years in tech, networking and security has left me suitably sceptical and a little paranoid (it’s not paranoia if they really are out to kill you!). It also meant that the “free” Google Home Minis I have received from my mobile provider along with new phones over the last few years (4 Home Minis and counting) went straight to landfill. Hell no.

This is rather apposite:

Just to note that Google has shut down the Conversational Actions (what Alexa calls skills) for Google Assistant. This will be a huge hit in the usability of Google Assistant, I think. I used to know how to build a conversational assistant for Roon using GA, but now that won’t be possible. Another cost-cutting measure.