# Apple Music High Res **URL:** \ **Category:** Music Services\ **Created:** [May 17, 2021, 3:16pm UTC](https://community.roonlabs.com/t/apple-music-high-res/159869 "2021-05-17T15:16:08Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 31
**Author:** ![David\_Joshua\_Hernand](https://community.roonlabs.com/letter_avatar/david_joshua_hernand/32/5_5575768a8748004e209b776fc1b2916d.png) [@David\_Joshua\_Hernand](https://community.roonlabs.com/u/David_Joshua_Hernand)\ **Post date:** [June 8, 2021, 8:20pm UTC](https://community.roonlabs.com/t/apple-music-high-res/159869/635 "2021-06-08T20:20:14Z")
I don’t know…that’s why I’m asking. ---
**Author:** ![anon44636269](https://community.roonlabs.com/letter_avatar/anon44636269/32/5_5575768a8748004e209b776fc1b2916d.png) [@anon44636269](https://community.roonlabs.com/u/anon44636269)\ **Post date:** [June 8, 2021, 8:21pm UTC](https://community.roonlabs.com/t/apple-music-high-res/159869/636 "2021-06-08T20:21:08Z")
I think it’s highly unlikely it would work for Apple Music streaming, you own local files perhaps. ---
**Author:** ![RBO](https://community.roonlabs.com/user_avatar/community.roonlabs.com/rbo/32/240661_2.png) [@RBO](https://community.roonlabs.com/u/RBO)\ **Post date:** [June 8, 2021, 8:28pm UTC](https://community.roonlabs.com/t/apple-music-high-res/159869/638 "2021-06-08T20:28:44Z")
Airplay 2 streams at 16/44 and 24/44. Therefore, if you were to stream such files off Apple Music, these should be played lossless on the compatible device. Any files with a higher sample rater from the above, will be downsampled to 16/44 or 24/44. At least this is my understanding and would make sense. ---
**Author:** ![Joe\_Strain](https://community.roonlabs.com/user_avatar/community.roonlabs.com/joe_strain/32/25767_2.png) [@Joe\_Strain](https://community.roonlabs.com/u/Joe_Strain)\ **Post date:** [June 8, 2021, 8:29pm UTC](https://community.roonlabs.com/t/apple-music-high-res/159869/639 "2021-06-08T20:29:55Z")
Can anyone please provide the direct source of the comments from Naim’s Chief Software Engineer? I would like to read them in context…thank you ---
**Author:** ![anon44636269](https://community.roonlabs.com/letter_avatar/anon44636269/32/5_5575768a8748004e209b776fc1b2916d.png) [@anon44636269](https://community.roonlabs.com/u/anon44636269)\ **Post date:** [June 8, 2021, 8:33pm UTC](https://community.roonlabs.com/t/apple-music-high-res/159869/640 "2021-06-08T20:33:06Z")
No that’s not the case. As I posted the main software guy from Naim had confirmed this. It’s streams only aac currently from Apple Music. He displayed the readouts from the machines diagnostics to show the streams it’s receiving via Airplay 2 which in Apple music is a lossless file. It’s capped at aac for Apple Music right now Apple need to update Airplay to open it up to accept 44.1. The only way to get lossless is via your phone, ipdad, camera cable and an external USB DAC. ---
**Author:** ![Jim\_F](https://community.roonlabs.com/user_avatar/community.roonlabs.com/jim_f/32/306918_2.png) [@Jim\_F](https://community.roonlabs.com/u/Jim_F)\ **Post date:** [June 8, 2021, 8:36pm UTC](https://community.roonlabs.com/t/apple-music-high-res/159869/641 "2021-06-08T20:36:15Z")
That’s what I’m using with Dragonfly Cobalt. I’m liking what I hear. I’m using iPhone 11 Pro Max and iPad Mini 4. ---
**Author:** ![anon44636269](https://community.roonlabs.com/letter_avatar/anon44636269/32/5_5575768a8748004e209b776fc1b2916d.png) [@anon44636269](https://community.roonlabs.com/u/anon44636269)\ **Post date:** [June 8, 2021, 8:37pm UTC](https://community.roonlabs.com/t/apple-music-high-res/159869/642 "2021-06-08T20:37:06Z")
Here you go not directed at me another Simon. I like Mike are regulars on Naims forum as we have their kit. I trust what he says. > **[Apple Music HiFi Tier incoming?](https://community.naimaudio.com/t/apple-music-hifi-tier-incoming/16445/437?u=crystalgipsy)** > > Hi @Simon-in-Suffolk et all, Currently Apple are forcing an aac link on Airplay2 when using Apple Music, even if the ui is saying lossless. This was documented on one of their FAQ pages. So example: Now lets turn on the internal metrics... The fact that Apple also do not mention Airplay at all on their FAQ is a bit of a clue I guess > **[About lossless audio in Apple Music – Apple Support (UK)](https://support.apple.com/en-gb/118295)** > > Find out about lossless audio in Apple Music and how to turn it on or off for your device. ---
**Author:** ![Daleq\_Brittain](https://community.roonlabs.com/letter_avatar/daleq_brittain/32/5_5575768a8748004e209b776fc1b2916d.png) [@Daleq\_Brittain](https://community.roonlabs.com/u/Daleq_Brittain)\ **Post date:** [June 8, 2021, 8:40pm UTC](https://community.roonlabs.com/t/apple-music-high-res/159869/643 "2021-06-08T20:40:27Z")
What’s Going On sounds great in Atmos. ---
**Author:** ![anon44636269](https://community.roonlabs.com/letter_avatar/anon44636269/32/5_5575768a8748004e209b776fc1b2916d.png) [@anon44636269](https://community.roonlabs.com/u/anon44636269)\ **Post date:** [June 8, 2021, 8:40pm UTC](https://community.roonlabs.com/t/apple-music-high-res/159869/644 "2021-06-08T20:40:30Z")
It’ should sound equal to Qobuz that way but the fact the whole eco system doesn’t support multiples of 44.1 only 48 for hires gives me course for concern as many masters are 88 2. ---
**Author:** ![anon44636269](https://community.roonlabs.com/letter_avatar/anon44636269/32/5_5575768a8748004e209b776fc1b2916d.png) [@anon44636269](https://community.roonlabs.com/u/anon44636269)\ **Post date:** [June 8, 2021, 8:44pm UTC](https://community.roonlabs.com/t/apple-music-high-res/159869/645 "2021-06-08T20:44:31Z")
It’s a classic and great album bar the one track. I’d hope they didn’t ruin it. I’ll have to wait until they update Android app to try it out. But I bet that won’t happen any time soon. ---
**Author:** ![Poseidon77](https://community.roonlabs.com/user_avatar/community.roonlabs.com/poseidon77/32/222304_2.png) [@Poseidon77](https://community.roonlabs.com/u/Poseidon77)\ **Post date:** [June 8, 2021, 8:44pm UTC](https://community.roonlabs.com/t/apple-music-high-res/159869/646 "2021-06-08T20:44:34Z")
Unfortunately that’s true. Not even CD quality via Airplay 2 with Am. Seems somewhat dishonest. Have a look at the two photos; the first one woth Airplay! the second one via USB to DAC. ![IMG_0382](https://roon-community-uploads.s3.amazonaws.com/original/3X/d/c/dccec12533b8781892efaff1b9906ae5150af4f0.jpeg) ![IMG_0381](https://roon-community-uploads.s3.amazonaws.com/original/3X/1/6/16d66b96c2272ca911d43637e12fae886a3df598.jpeg) ---
**Author:** ![Mediahound](https://community.roonlabs.com/user_avatar/community.roonlabs.com/mediahound/32/222536_2.png) [@Mediahound](https://community.roonlabs.com/u/Mediahound)\ **Post date:** [June 8, 2021, 8:47pm UTC](https://community.roonlabs.com/t/apple-music-high-res/159869/647 "2021-06-08T20:47:13Z")
I thought this bears mentioning here. Apple does apparently allow Apple Music to be played through other apps like Roon. They state here at the link at the bottom of the page here: > Find and play songs, audio podcasts, audio books, and more from within your app. > **[Apple Music API | Apple Developer Documentation](https://developer.apple.com/documentation/applemusicapi)** > > Integrate streaming music with catalog and personal content. ---
**Author:** ![RBO](https://community.roonlabs.com/user_avatar/community.roonlabs.com/rbo/32/240661_2.png) [@RBO](https://community.roonlabs.com/u/RBO)\ **Post date:** [June 8, 2021, 8:47pm UTC](https://community.roonlabs.com/t/apple-music-high-res/159869/648 "2021-06-08T20:47:30Z")
Now I’m intrigued. Will email NAD and let you know what they say about my streamer. Thanks for pointing that out. ---
**Author:** ![anon44636269](https://community.roonlabs.com/letter_avatar/anon44636269/32/5_5575768a8748004e209b776fc1b2916d.png) [@anon44636269](https://community.roonlabs.com/u/anon44636269)\ **Post date:** [June 8, 2021, 8:50pm UTC](https://community.roonlabs.com/t/apple-music-high-res/159869/649 "2021-06-08T20:50:25Z")
Your welcome, it bad enough Amazon pull off this crap but Apple should have a bit more integrity than that. I’m sure they will sort it eventually hopefullt when the audiophile community starts to make a lot of noise online about it they might sit up and take notice. The mqa and golden sound thing has sure rattled a few cages. ---
**Author:** ![Joe\_Strain](https://community.roonlabs.com/user_avatar/community.roonlabs.com/joe_strain/32/25767_2.png) [@Joe\_Strain](https://community.roonlabs.com/u/Joe_Strain)\ **Post date:** [June 8, 2021, 8:54pm UTC](https://community.roonlabs.com/t/apple-music-high-res/159869/650 "2021-06-08T20:54:38Z")
Thank you for clarifying. I still stand by what I said earlier when it is known that lossless=lossless, however, in this case, I clearly need to buy better cotton swabs to clean my ears out, because I still can’t hear a lick of difference. In any case, thanks for updating. ---
**Author:** ![anon44636269](https://community.roonlabs.com/letter_avatar/anon44636269/32/5_5575768a8748004e209b776fc1b2916d.png) [@anon44636269](https://community.roonlabs.com/u/anon44636269)\ **Post date:** [June 8, 2021, 8:55pm UTC](https://community.roonlabs.com/t/apple-music-high-res/159869/651 "2021-06-08T20:55:47Z")
I always read that apps on devices like iphones that can pull through info but not play the music it would instigate that via apple music itself. Spotify is the same for its web api… Still hardly great for Roons use though. If it was I would have thought it would have been picked up already by other apps. ---
**Author:** ![RBO](https://community.roonlabs.com/user_avatar/community.roonlabs.com/rbo/32/240661_2.png) [@RBO](https://community.roonlabs.com/u/RBO)\ **Post date:** [June 8, 2021, 8:56pm UTC](https://community.roonlabs.com/t/apple-music-high-res/159869/652 "2021-06-08T20:56:54Z")
Thanks for sharing these. Do you have Qobuz and if you do, is it the same when using Airplay? ---
**Author:** ![Tim\_Rhodes](https://community.roonlabs.com/user_avatar/community.roonlabs.com/tim_rhodes/32/387854_2.png) [@Tim\_Rhodes](https://community.roonlabs.com/u/Tim_Rhodes)\ **Post date:** [June 8, 2021, 8:58pm UTC](https://community.roonlabs.com/t/apple-music-high-res/159869/653 "2021-06-08T20:58:03Z")
I just hope this doesn’t mean we start getting new music mastered for ‘spatial audio’. it was bad enough when MP3/aac was the lowest common denominator. ---
**Author:** ![anon44636269](https://community.roonlabs.com/letter_avatar/anon44636269/32/5_5575768a8748004e209b776fc1b2916d.png) [@anon44636269](https://community.roonlabs.com/u/anon44636269)\ **Post date:** [June 8, 2021, 8:59pm UTC](https://community.roonlabs.com/t/apple-music-high-res/159869/654 "2021-06-08T20:59:39Z")
Aac is pretty good as a compressed audio stream goes, your not the first nor will be the last to not tell the difference. ---
**Author:** ![Jim\_F](https://community.roonlabs.com/user_avatar/community.roonlabs.com/jim_f/32/306918_2.png) [@Jim\_F](https://community.roonlabs.com/u/Jim_F)\ **Post date:** [June 8, 2021, 8:59pm UTC](https://community.roonlabs.com/t/apple-music-high-res/159869/655 "2021-06-08T20:59:53Z")
OK, this works. Apple Music streaming from iPad Mini 4 to Meridian Prime Headphone Amplifier via Apple camera adapter and USB. And, I can just grab this USB cable and shove it into my laptop to use Audirvana Studio. It’s a 3 foot USB extension cable I had laying around. ![IMG_3840](https://roon-community-uploads.s3.amazonaws.com/original/3X/d/f/dfc3ff499403e5c7f15cf44773fe81434f143617.jpeg) ![IMG_3841](https://roon-community-uploads.s3.amazonaws.com/original/3X/e/9/e95715411f09ef985326850ce0811a34e4c80d89.jpeg) [Previous page](https://community.roonlabs.com/t/apple-music-high-res/159869.md?page=30) [Next page](https://community.roonlabs.com/t/apple-music-high-res/159869.md?page=32)