That is why I hesitated to write down to share what I know, learned and heard.
I started this post as positive constructive feedback to see if we can improve Roon, me being a happy customer.
However, From the start I find myself in the defensive corner.
what I really find interesting is that it never started with accepting my statement and a simple respond back that it however couldn’t be reproduced.
It directly moved to the statement that there’s no technical proof and yes indeed I allowed it to happen I’m pulled in deeper into a discussion.
Over time the topic Audirvane vs Roon I’ve started moved into a discussion over nonsense about timing and me defending it.
this will not lead to anything. It’s all so negative and to be honest it pushes me down in how I feel about Roon as a customer.
I don’t know the technical ins and outs of Roon and I hope that the negative pushback on what I brought in is not caused by limitations of Roon. ( we can’t do better)
In the mean time I will invest further into what you call snake oil solutions and Enjoy my music
I stop responding to comments on the post I started.
But what is there to improve, at least in this particular regard?
You know what they say about extraordinary claims requiring extraordinary evidence. The claim you are making is quite extraordinary as it contradicts all the science and engineering used to design the entire digital music infrastructure (and much more). Seems reasonable to ask for some kind of proof that there is a difference that is not purely psychological.
And indeed there isn’t one…
As I recall, you were the one who brought up the (indeed, complete nonsense) timing argument.
These threads never do.
There are no limitations in either Roon or Audirvana in regards to bitpefect playback (DSP implementations can obviously be different). For that very reason, bitperfect playback from either system sounds exactly the same.
That is definitely your prerogative. And your money. But, to use another well-known saying, “you are entitled to your own opinions, but not your own facts.”
Some of what you said has, as you predicted, been rejected as false. Not in the sense that people are disagreeing with an opinion, but in the sense that some of the points you made are factually incorrect, and likely responsible for some of your erroneous conclusions.
By all means, spend your money as you wish, but please note these products have been identified as snake oil as they often purport to address problems that, in reality, do not exist.
Yes and no. Yes, it’s getting bogged down in one of the very familiar discussions that seem to drag on forever. No, because it’s an attempt to specify exactly what aspects of two products can be realistically compared, and which should not.
Have to agree somewhat with @DaveN. To me they both provide Music which i enjoy, which is my first and foremost requirement. Roon has more “Bells & Whistles”. Audirvana has less.
However in my subjective experience and yours may be completely different and I am happy to accept that, Audirvana allows me to play whatever Local and Streaming I want to play 24 Hrs a day without hiccup, Roon does not.
Thanks for your insightful input. If I have had problems that would be retrospective. And of course it is nearly always network problems isn’t it. Support is looking at my latest issue and it is not related solely to me and as far as anyone knows, it is not network related. But don’t let the truth get in the way of your patronizing post, right!!
Which led me to this: Your history also indicates that you have indeed had a number of hiccups with Roon, but of course admitting that wouldn’t add much to your comment would it. I gave up the search after these.
Every issue I had in the past seems solved. I enjoy Roon, so I use it almost every day.
I could compare Roon and Audirvana as I own licenses of both products. The thing is that I barely use Audirvana these days. I don’t think it is a bad piece of softare at all, on the contrary, But, Roon covers all my needs and it work fine for me. And, of course, I am not able to find any sonically difference between them.
I am fairly new to Roon and have had Audirvana 3.5 then Audirvana Studio since it became available which I used quite happily in my office system. I bought a Primare Prisma NP5 for my living room system and didn’t like it all that much until I tried it with Roon. In my office system I compared Audirvana Studio to Roon and could not really hear a significant difference. So I did not renew Audirvana Studio and am all in with Roon. I run the Roon server on a Windows 11 Desktop with Fidelizer Pro 8.11. I also tried the latest Fidelizer with Roon recommendations shown here https://fidelizer-audio.com/getting-the-most-of-fidelizer-plus-pro-configuration-with-roon/and experienced another subtle sound quality improvement.
I recently tried Audrivana Linux on an Intel i5/8 gig machine, and it had a lot of issues (could not upsample, slow responsiveness). Switched it over to my M4 MacBook which worked great. Reinstalled Audrivana on an older i5/8 gig MacMini - and while I cannot upsample, it works well and sounds great.
Finally got Audirvana to work on Linux after finding out it needed avahi daemon doesn’t mention that in the demo instructions and had to edit the service file to make it work as a service. I agree it’s sluggish each album takes a few seconds to load up when clicked on. Sounds same as Roon or LMS on same server. Unlikely to stick with it as LMS is a better user experience and lack of decent zone controls or way to easily transfer playback to different zone.
I installed Audirvana Core Player on AudioLinux without problems.
From what I’ve seen, the only application for remote control (and library management) is the one on the phone. I did not find a remote control application for desktop. Unfortunately, that doesn’t fit my usage pattern.
It was always designed to be small and not fullsize app and was inspired by Winamp from back in the day according to Elan at Plex it was his idea. It appeared on pc/mac first, smart phones later. But if you don’t like it fair enough.
Perhaps Lyrion might be better as its browser based so works full screen on any device and can be saved out as an full screen app from chrome or safari
i’m so accustomed to plexamp’s interface, i sometimes get frustrated when i try to shrink roon’s window and can’t make it small enough
plexamp’s interface can be adjusted to work a little better for larger display, browser window, etc. … but agree it can’t really be turned into a traditional desktop interface (list of items w/ multiple columns of data, for example)