By-track or by-album DSP settings

This doesn’t seem like a Roon OS thing. It’s really a Roon 2.0 thing, isn’t it?

You can very easily invert the stereo channels using audacity (and it is for free). Just open the file, click on the left panel on “invert stereo channels” and export the file using the format of your convenience.

Agreed, posts split out to the referenced topic.

Miguel, so many thanks you keep this requirement alive! In my opinion it would be a killer feature for all music lovers who don’t want to follow the personal taste of the recording engineer, his equipment and room conditions. Even it was in 60s, 70s, 80s or today. Even today most studios are working with room correction devices / software (so mix quality has become much more better in average) there are recordings, which are not my taste of a well balanced sound. So the possibility of that feature will me lock in to Roon possibly for my whole life. Then, the DSP settings once made and linked to my songs in the Roon database would be a huge treasure. Beyond this, there is imaginable, that you can search and use DSP settings from other users. Even to make it easy or to find out new colors of sound. Even professional sound engineers do that in their studios. May you watch HiFi aus Sicht des Tontechnikers - Workshop/Tutorial (The Soundphile) - YouTube. (On german :wink:

Hi Miguel. I know this is off topic, but I have that Genesis album on CD, early pressing from the 80s. Now, I’ve found that a lot of early releases of CDs from the 80s, 90s era sound better than the remasters that followed, due to dynamic range compression.

Tidal, unfortunately, usually has the newer ‘remasters’, and while quite a few of the Tidal versions of my CDs sound worse (Thriller, Graceland, Invisible Touch, to give 3 examples), unusually, and interestingly, Genesis (Kids shapes) album sounds loads better on Tidal than the original CD! It has a lot of the bass you’re searching for…

Just thought I’d let you know.

Anyway… I’m all for Album based DSP, in fact… I started a thread about it a while ago… it’s not as popular as this thread though. :slightly_smiling_face:

Thanks Dan. Yes, I agree with you that many remasters are worse than the original release. But it is also the case that many releases from the 80’s seem to have been mastered with little bass, possibly to make them sound ok in things like Walkmans and such (I actually call it “Mastered for Walkman”).

In this particular case, this is a version of the Genesis album done pretty carefully on SACD. I actually ripped this SACD with my Sony PS3 (which I bought and exclusively use for SACD ripping). I think the balance of the recording is pretty close to the original release.

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There’s quite a few 80’s releases that are light on bass… they went through a ‘clinical’ phase around the time DDD recordings came on the scene.

Another example is Welcome To The Pleasuredome. Really well produced, by Trevor Horn… a bit light on bass though…! :slightly_smiling_face:

I support this demand, but in another way (which is not incompatible with other) : being able to memorize the upsampling filter type on album basis, or in composition basis. For classical music, filters are important ; I don’t use same for voices (more precise) than for strings, for example. It seems more easy and less dangerous than other DSP settings.

Let me tag this one again: per-track and per-album DSP. Come on, the engine is already there, the editor too. It can’t be that hard to combine a per-track setting with the per-endpoint setting on the fly, can it? How hard is the math there? Let’s get it done, instead of say, daily mixes.

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Full Support for this demand. Many use this feature and almost every quality player offer this. DSP settings for track/album.
Why the Roon-Team ignores such a strong demand? More than 100 Answers in this topic.
Greetz
Uwe

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Listening throuigh my 6k CDs I have noticed, like everybody else might have, that especially lots of POP-CDs from the 80th sound a bit flat when it comes to low frequency performance. Guess this was due to the old way of developing loudspeakers.
Anyway, what would be nice is, to have a couple of DSP-presets available that may easily be selected while e.g. clicking on the device icon bottom right.
And imagine, in an advanced version, to even be able to assign DSP-presets per CD, Genre or e.g. something like “all CDs from the 80th”.

Just an idea :wink:

Cheers…

I like this idea a lot. What do you think about associating one or more tags with a DSP Preset? Roon could then activate the matching preset automatically when playing a track with an associated tag.

Where this breaks down is when folks have zone-specific DSP settings. For example, convolution or PEQ for room correction, Audeze presets, Speaker setup etc. They would not want their zone-specific profile to be clobbered by track-specific settings.

Perhaps this could be solved if Roon allowed stacking DSP presets. Currently, activating a saved DSP preset completely overrides previous DSP settings. There needs to be a way to activate at least two presets at once: zone-specific and tag-associated. Roon would need some kind of container to keep up with these separately so that when a track with a different (or no) tag plays, Roon knows which DSP settings to unload and which to keep.

Actually, looking at the functionality of Roon’s Procedural EQ, it may be able to handle all of the use cases since it includes PEQ. Only missing Convolution, which probably would not be difficult for Roon to add. The Procedural EQ group of operations may be the “container” I’m looking for.

Roon just needs to provide a way to make the association between Procedural EQ operations and the tags that, if present, will activate them.

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If you bought the CDs at the time or in the early 90s, chances are it was due to the same master tape being used for the CD as was used for the vinyl cutting. These were generally at least 3rd or 4th generation copies of the actual master tape and had a frequency balance suitable for vinyl (bass cut). Many of these CDs were also mastered onto CD at a lower volume than was possible. Finding decent (there is the challenge) remasters of your favourite 80s albums might be a better way forward? You can probably audition them on Tidal/Qobuz before purchase.

Interesting threads:

Firstly, I get the sense the Roon design is such that DSP is only available post endpoint routing, so adding such a track-based DSP would have to apply pre-routing to endpoints, and that might be complicated in the code.

However, there is absolutely no issue with having two DSP stages, one track based and global, followed by an endpoint-specific one. You can do this RIGHT NOW: create however many stages you want in the DSP settings.

I have already implemented such corrections in some “80’s” parametric filters, it is pretty simple to do. Engaging the filters by hand when needed, and more importantly remembering to remove them, is the issue for me.

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Yes. I agree that all this is possible (thanks for pointing out the notion of a global stage). What’s missing is having these stages applied automatically based on content tags. I’d like to see the following:

Global DSP Settings
Procedural EQ operations that are applied to all zones. For example, if I’m a bass head, perhaps I want a PEQ with a 5 dB low shelf at 40 Hz (with -5 dB gain adjustment to avoid clipping), and I want this for all zones and tracks.

Zone DSP Settings
What Roon provides today. DSP settings that are specific to each zone. For example, I may have a NOS DAC that sounds best with everything upsampled to PCM 352.8/384 kHz in one zone and another that sounds best with DSD256. I use a different convolution filter in my main listening room than I do at my desk, etc. Roon applies these settings conditionally based on the currently selected zone.

Tag Associated DSP Settings
Procedural EQ operations that are associated with one or more tags to correct for things like CD pre-emphasis, apply RIAA EQ for needle-drops made with a flat phono stage, etc. Roon applies these settings conditionally based on track tags.

With this configuration, you could make a change to global settings without creating or updating DSP Presets. They would apply to all zones based on personal tastes, hearing deficiencies, etc. You could also create and edit tag-associated settings without having to update your half-dozen or so Zone DSP Presets.

I’m sure the Roon UI/UX folks can come up with a way to make the experience great for folks who are seeking this level of control without creating named DSP Presets that cover every combination of global preference + zone-specific adjustments + track/album adjustments and having to select them manually during playback as is required today.

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Good luck getting any of this implemented. Look at the date of my first post in this topic (I am the OP)

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October 18th will be 3rd anniversery😁

Not sure, if any ‘Feature Request’ submitted by a Roon user, has yet to be included in a Release.
Doesn’t seem to be part of their Product development scoping process

That is not correct.
See 1.8 release notes for some feature requests that were included, as one example.

I don’t know… I think they probably do include some. Keep in mind that it is a small team, dealing with what seems like a large codebase, and with some strategic objectives we don’t know about. So anything that implies some sort of architectural redesign (like I believe this request is) is really out there in their todo list.

Having said this, there are some features, like this one and similar, that are so suited to the Roon design - deep metadata as the core of the product - that it seems like adding to the uniqueness. For example, consider adding track-based DSP to Media Center or Audirvana…