What’s happening?
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Describe the issue
Roon will show both composer and lyricist as composer when the lyricist is also another part of the recordings.
Describe your network setup
Not relevent
Hi @Eleatmelon_Ai1,
Thanks for reaching out to us about this issue. Can you tell us more about the tracks this is happening with? Are these all tracks you own or from a streaming app? Can you share the metadata associated with one of the tracks this is happening with?
It does not just behave like this for specific tracks, every track that has a lyricist and the lyricist is also another part of the track will be listed as a composer. You can try it by assigning a random person to both lyricist and vocals(for example), I have tested it for several random tracks.
I just have tried it for local tracks since I don’t have streaming services.
And both the roon server and roon remote is build 1483.
Roon considers (and has always considered) lyricists to be composers. Is this the problem here?
There is more to this annoying issue. It is very long-standing particularly with Western Classical music but all genres are affected one way or another. Different genres have different conventions about how to treat writers and this is the root of this long unaddressed problem.
It is common, that Classical art song is set to famous poetry. German Lieder, for example set to Goethe. But English Art Song might be set to Shakespeare, or French Mélodie to Paul Verlaine. It would appear that there are two different metadata suppliers. One will categorise these cases as “Text”. The other will categorise these cases as “Lyricist”. There are other little used options like “Poetry” and “Translation” that have different effects. Commonly, it is only those writers with a “Text” credit that get categorised as a composer. This was much less of a problem several years ago before roon started trying to “improve” its localization handling and started merging the metadata from different suppliers. This has caused several types of metadata duplication, as in this case where writers like Shakespeare will now almost certainly get both a “text” and “lyricist” credit and hence an unwanted composer credit.
The work-around is to remove the text credit and leave the lyricist credit. For example, this is what Debussy looks like before removing Paul Verlaine’s “text” credit:
And after removing Paul Verlaine’s text credit:
There are several feature requests on this topic going back years. I periodically edit my library when I come across examples but I have long given up trying to be systematic about it as it is all over the place. For example, roon categorises Goethe, Shakespeare and Verlaine as composers but there are many, many other examples like the OP’s cutting across all genres and geographic regions.
no, if the person is lyricist alone, roon will not consider he/she a composer. However, when the person is a lyricist and also any other part of the track, then he/she will also be a composer.
Here are 2 screenshots that will clearly explain the issue.
Hi @Eleatmelon_Ai1,
The distinction here is the Text vs Lyricist credit per @tripleCrotchet’s synopsis above. You’ll need to curate your metadata to opt for Text credits instead of Lyricist for your intended use case and then set Roon’s import settings to prefer the file metadata.
If you’d like to create a Feature Suggestions for your intended metadata handling change, other users can vote. Otherwise, this thread will move outside of Support to remain open for comment without a topic timer.
@connor, this has never made any sense.
Roon categorises a Lyricist as a Composer but does not duplicate Lyricists as Composers. Instead they get there own “Lyrics by” entry on the main album screen.
Roon categorises Text as Production and yet it does duplicate Text writers as Composers. Text writers do not get their own “Lyrics by” entry on the main screen.
Why is roon giving a Composer credit to a Production credit in the first place? To me Text in a Production context is something like “Liner Notes” not “Composition”. So I assume roon must be applying a rule that those artists coming through from a particular metadata supplier with a Text Production credit get a Composition credit when they should be getting a Lyricist credit. That would avoid a lot of the duplication and mess I would have thought.
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