While we’re talking about a very subtle “asymptotic” HiFi sound nuances, THEY (certain Hi Fi dealers) try to make a fool of us, right to our faces. I still can’t believe it…I have a psychiatrist’s appointment tommorow 
If this is not on topic, i dont know what is…
Anyways, i needed to correct my stand on Nik Bärtsch’s Ronin and Stoa.
The effect is clearly audible on the first track, Modul 36, when the piano first appear out of the pitch black background and then reverbs back into silence. I hear what you are talking about. If it is about watermarking or whatever i cannot say but it is not pretty… 
I’ll go back to my CD rip now… 
@John_Aiello, I tend to agree with @Mikael_Ollars. Suppose ECM is really only available In Tidal in a crippled way, one might argue if it is valid to call this “available”. If you rent a car and they throw in diesel instead of gasoline, it wouldn’t bring you far either, would it? I think people caring about sound and looking for ECM will appreciate they find this information in this thread (for me it’s one of the main reasons I still rip CD’s instead of streaming), however it won’t occur to many to do an additional search for UMG watermarking. Thus I think it’s still on topic.
This is on topic IMO. I’m following closely and with interest, though don’t have substance to add at this stage.
Don’t let any of this speculation stop you from enjoying this catalog of great music!
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A post was split to a new topic: Tidal MQA version will play in Roon, but when I attempt to add it to my library all tracks show as “unavailable”
I’m so happy to have ECM titles via Tidal. Especially so many in MQA. This has allowed me to test MQA vs non-MQA with excellent recordings. My pref for MQA has been reaffirmed thanks to ECM…so I will continue using Audirvana / ultraRendu with Tidal until Roon supports MQA decoding. Sadly.
But are you sure that ECM is still in MQA?
The last original MQA ECM album (blue diode; green diode is MQA “made by Tidal”, not ECM I suppose ) was “Daylight Ghosts” by Craig Taborn (Release date: 03.02.2017) - and nothing more MQA from ECM after…
P.S.
I’m also a big fan of Audirvana 
Works PERFECT with my “Pre Box S2” - and Foobar200 (renderer) as an interface on Win10 audio PC
ECM have put a press release on their website:
PRESS RELEASE
ECM and StreamingOver the past week we have begun the process of en-tering the world of streaming, and from November 17th, the full ECM catalogue will be available to subscribers to services including Apple Music, Amazon, Spotify, Deezer, Tidal and Qobuz. This simul-taneous launch across the platforms – facilitated by a new digital distribution agreement with Universal Music – invites listeners to explore the wide range of music recorded by our artists in the course of nearly five decades of independent production.
Although ECM’s preferred mediums remain the CD and LP, the first priority is that the music should be heard. The physical catalogue and the original author-ship are the crucial references for us: the complete ECM album with its artistic signature, best possible sound quality, sequence and dramaturgy intact, telling its story from beginning to end.
In recent years, ECM and the musicians have had to face unauthorized streaming of recordings via video sharing sites, plus piracy, bootlegs, and a prolifer-ation of illegal download sites. It was important to make the catalogue accessible within a framework where copyrights are respected.
ECM Press Office
Munich, November 14, 2017
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Would probabaly be of better use to write to ECM about the watermarks, as you’d think they would want to know that their music is beeing tampered with before it reaches us.
Hi
can you recommend an ECM record where watermark is evident? Honestly I spent some time in comparing ECM CDs and Steaming files and, in my system, I couldn’t detect any difference
Thanks
To me this is quite obvious, someone earlier described it like listening “through a ceiling fan” and that is what i hear too.
How best to search for ECM titles in Tidal. I’d like to see Tidal’s library. I type in ECM and 6-7 albums show up - those with ECM in the title. Searching in Roon doesn’t seem to fair better. I must be missing something!
Don’t have Tidal myself, but according to Hartmut this tip should work:
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As I decribed before you can search in roon for the ECM albums. This does not work in the Tidal app because there are not as much informations about the albums as in roon. Open one ECM album in roon, go to the credits section and down to producer Manfred Eicher. Open it and you get many ECM productions.
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Thank you! I had read the thread but didn’t recall this very helpful info!
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I already did it.
What was their reply?
So far, nothing…
Keep us posted!