Folder Browsing [Never happening] 2016-03

But but but – is the limitation that the playlist can only reference files within the same watched folder still applicable? If so, this may not work as well as I thought.

I will play with it some and see what I can get it to do, but the watched folder limitation seems just generally problematic with M3U playlists and not only when using it as a workaround for importing metadata. I understand the paths have to be consistent and that is a fair requirement probably applicable to all media players, but the watched folder limit seems extra eccentric…

And i still think this is a great idea, two levels would give me much better leverage but three would be the dogs b-lcks!
However, i do wonder if that feasible in, say a ROCK with internal storage where you cant choose anything else than the whole disc as storage. In my QNAP server i have eight (8) folders defined plus a “temp”-folder for quickly getting some tracks or albums in and out of Roon. The latter setup makes it possible to activate/deactivate these individually, for say, tagging the individual storage locations.

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Whoa - did I see a post appear stating that there were no watched folder limitations and then it disappeared? Or am I having a flashback to the 60s? (When I was an infant)… I was excited to see that there is no such limitation, but I think there is:

https://kb.roonlabs.com/Importing_playlists#M3U_Files

Yes !

It was me being ignorant. There is indeed a limitation as you describe.

It literally disappeared before my eyes, which was somewhat disconcerting!

Too bad. This would be a useful workaround if it crossed watched folders. I wonder why it doesn’t, as long as the paths are all valid as from the Roon Core.

Even if it had crossed over watched folders, I have figured out that it is still a manual, static workaround. It will do a one-time import of values, but if I rip another album or change the metadata I have sorted with in order to create the playlist, that won’t update within Roon without a re-do of the whole process. I’d like something dynamic, although a forced rescan would be fine

3 posts were split to a new topic: Roon to offer ways of finding classical works easily AND showing me the different versions of a particular work

As a new user, I’ve been watching these threads about folder-wise perusal with some interest.

From a pure usability perspective the absence of this feature is an annoying PITA for me. I have Sonos units that have supported this from the year dot. I also have lots of music that I haven’t got round to tagging yet. Finding everything in my ‘BandCamp’ folder (I do that sometimes) is unnecessarily difficult without folders as a perusal metaphor.

By not allowing this, what you are saying to me as a user is: The product is not really usable without tagging.

It would be trivial to expose this (the Roon server is crawling the files and folders, already, anyway) and you could make a user preference to enable or disable it. Done. I bet the feature could could shipped in < 2 weeks.

Just my $0.02 as a software guy and a paying customer.

thanks- Michael

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Easy peasy, add a label tag and pop Bandcamp in as the value.

Yes - Not hard. But I have stuff that I haven’t got 'round to categorizing yet.

In the meantime I can Track view and add Path and then filter on that, but consider: People have their own mnemonics, and their own way of filing and organizing things, and they often express this as directory structure. Why force them/me to create metadata for work I’ve already done organizing my music?

And as I said: Roon already has the folder structure in a a DB. Just expose it. It should adapt to the user, not the other way 'round. And no, that wouldn’t ruin the experience for others.

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Jeez, please accept my apologies for offering a solution.

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Don’t mean to sound negative BTW – I’m excited by Roon and its capabilities and that’s why I’m paying for it. This just seems like an obvious miss to me.

cheers- Michael

I appreciate the suggestion.

No it really is not a miss, it is the exact opposite of the way Roon is designed to work. Why does everyone cling to the past and not embrace the future, the whole idea is to see you music via album cover not list.

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Really? Seriously? This illustrates the somewhat cultish nature of a portion of the Roon user base.

There is nothing “past” or “future” in requests for usability. Obviously by the volume of posts on this issue, there is a substantial portion of the user base that cannot actually get to the point of enjoying the “future” you posit until we can get our work from the “past” into the “future” format. This is what people are asking for. It is not some threat to your way of using Roon.

Also, who says that folder-based view has to be a list? It could easily be a set of album covers, or artist pictures, or what have you. The point is to be able to organize and sort by folder location so as to be able to tag better. Just because Roon did a good job recognizing your collection doesn’t mean it did a great job for everyone else.

This is from someone who would not really use folder view frequently. But I find the resistance to it to be astonishing and eccentric.

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Brian has explained that a folder view would be detrimental to Roon in the thread linked above on music file management.

As Brian also makes clear in that that Roon is not closed to user comments and is evolving the product to meet the use cases of those who would like a folder view and many other things. However they are not going to do things that will “break the product” or stop them doing other things they want to do in the future just to please some.

So there is little point in repeatedly requesting a folder view simply because I want it or because other products have it - it is very unlikely to come. However if you continue to explain what you are trying to do and what you use a folder view to do and why you think you need it then you will likely find that down the road Roon finds a better way to do what you did with a folder view and eventually you wont miss it at all.

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Sorry to upset you so much, but. When I started supporting and using Roon a long long time ago I did so because of the stated aim to “End the old way of looking at music with files folders and lists and start browsing the same way you do with your Vinyl albums using the great art on the covers”

Sorry but going back to files and folders is not the thing to do with Roon - there are plenty of file and folder based music systems, use one of them if it is that important to you.

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Nick, you’re not carefully reading the posts on what people are asking for or why. You’re just stating the same superficial position over and over. If you don’t care to take the time to understand, what is the point in just making dogmatic statements?

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The devs have made clear that folder browsing is not in Roon’s future. See Brian’s post here:

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Maybe this is yet another request for a simple folder view, sorry I haven’t searched.

My music is organized under normal Windows folder structure where I don’t care about tagging information. Using Logitech Media Server, if I want to see Miles Davis albums I go to the Miles Davis folder. I don’t have to ask “Hmm, who was tagged as the composer on this album?”

I know, a wild concept - I put my music in a folder and now I want to find my music in that folder. But this is beyond Roon somehow.

Roon however now breaks all of my Windows folders apart by artist, composer etc. making it very hard to find some things. Forget my previously much-used Various Artists folder which is now Spread all over the place in Roon…

Not asking for much, just a way to look for data under the familiar Windows folder structure, like every other interaction I have with my PC.

In 2019 Roon should not be missing a feature loved by users of Logitech Media Server.

Love Roon but it seems really silly that I can’t simply browse by folder.

Thanks for listening.

Mike,

There have been many threads on this topic and the case has been definitively answered below:

If have not read the FAQ, there is a lot of helpful information. Roon does things differently.

I tag all Various Artists albums as Various Artists for the album artist and then the individual track performer goes under the Artist field. And then use the Sort setting as described above.