Follow-up to "Artist equivalence: Codeine the 90ies NYC slowcore band is not Codeine the trap band or whatever other bands of that name"

[Suedkiez (Just a fellow user like you)]

The original thread was closed and the close message says to open a new topic if issue persists:

Artist equivalence: Codeine the 90ies NYC slowcore band is not Codeine the trap band or whatever other bands of that name

Content you’re reporting an issue with Codeine the slow core band has a TiVo and Wiki bio. (Note: I edited the artist image locally) [image] Have you made any edits to this content in Roon? The band photo of the slowcore Codeine Is the album identified in Roon? Yes Is this content from local files, TIDAL, or Qobuz? All of them Screenshot of import settings Unrelated Description of the issue This is Codeine the slowcore band: Their albums are: Frigid Stars LP The White…

While the issue was improved for some time after my previous report, though not completely solved, it is now messed up more with new incorrect stuff again:

[Suedkiez (Just a fellow user like you)]

By the way, I acknowledge that several credit issues I reported previously were fixed, thanks for that, but many others had no result or only temporary ones. I am not going to reopen them, but I am really tired of this. These affect not just super obscure artists but in part - at least in their genres or countries - absolutely seminal ones.

I know that I can go and try to fix up MusicBrainz/AllMusic myself, but Roon was sold to me as “A music experience fit for a super fan. Roon brings all your music together and adds tons of data – bios, reviews, photos, lyrics, tour dates, and cross-linked credits for performers, songwriters, producers, engineers, and composers.” I think we can assume that this wouldn’t be wildly incorrect tons of data. (And as I mentioned before, every time I add or fix something on MB, I get complaints and arguments from other contributors that I don’t have the nerves for. And I don’t even know if the issue is in MB, TiVo, or Roon’s de-ambiguation / merge code)

Siobhan Duffy (-Gira) multiplied, Legendary German Band F.S.K. mixed up with some other artist Fsk, German Band Mutter mixed up with other Mutter, Artist equivalence: The Garage DJ Sticky from UK conflated with Uziah "Sticky" Thompson, renowned reggae percussionist, Michael Gira's "Angels of Light" band is not the same as some weird archangel albums (there are new fake archangel compilations there), Doubled up artist Time Bomb, Rapper Hittman (Dr. Dre) doubled as Hitman on TiVo and several other Hittmans

I know I am not the only one and other users are affected and have reported, too, but I know best about my own ones.

[connor]

Hi @Suedkiez,

We’ve reviewed this closely with the team. We’re grateful for both your efforts to resolve these discrepancies upstream and for your documentation here. Here’s the unfortunate reality we share:

This problem results from a Sisyphean avalanche of bad metadata (for certain artists) from our upstream sources. Outside of a foundational change to our model (like a recording-centric pipeline), the only thorough solution is to submit a granular fix for each bad association to the upstream providers. Right now, we simply don’t have the scale of resources and specific artist knowledge necessary to cover this surface area of bad data.

That’s by no means an excuse for this poor experience nor an attempt to evade our responsibility to improve things. The team is well aware of this problem and continues to search for a systemic solution. When we’re equipped to make changes that will actually have an impact, we take action.

Long-term, this is something we’d very much like to solve. We’re working to expand our capacity to do so.

[Suedkiez (Just a fellow user like you)]

Thanks for the thoughtful response, very interesting. I understand the challenge and the sad state of metadata in general that you can’t fix all on your own. I just had to get this out of my system, I guess, because it seems that literally every time I do a deep dive into an artist I really love, I encounter these issues.

I’m somewhat ok with fixing up missing/incorrect credits on albums that I want in my library, but it’s frustrating if stuff like, e.g., stupid Archangel Ai slop that I don’t want in my library invades the Discography of an artist (in the Angels of Lights case, as one example), where I don’t see what I can do about it, short of adding everything in the library and hiding it. (And I haven’t looked but I don’t think that would come from MusicBrainz where I could fix it).

If I may suggest a temporary workaround that might be more feasible mid-term (I don‘t really know): It would be cool if, similar to how global bans are possible without adding an album/artist to the library, if we could have a button to hide any album from a Discography or an artist from a credit list.

That would go a very long way toward getting rid of the most aggravating cases, like the old ones listed above or the other, new, one I reported on the same occasion, Artist equivalence: Earth (drone metal legends) mixed up with hip hop / R&B / electronic and probably other act(s)