Grouped HomePods aren't working [Ticket In]

I have both HomePods, one pair “normal size” and one pair Mini. Software version 15.0, in both pairs. HomePods (standard and mini) works only when aren’t in group.
I will send you the newest logs within an hour.

Hi @dylan,

Date: today, 19.10 GMT+2
Track: Traffic Thom Yorke (from local NAS)
Group name: Sypialnia (pair of HomePods Mini)

Date: today, 19.11 GMT+2
Track: Traffic Thom Yorke (from local NAS)
Group name: Salon (pair of HomePods)

Logs attached via Google Drive:

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1N_Pv2Z3GcBBWee0oJfoCZ72qHqo7orIk/view?usp=sharing

Hi @Pawel_Chmielewski, One last questions — If you group a single HomePod and a HomePod Mini, does that work?

Yes. If I mix standard and mini - its work.

I’m having the same problem. I had 2 HomePod mini’s in a group with a Procedural EQ to try and simulated a Stereo pair.

Outside I Roon I had them linked as a Stereo pair in the Home app.

It used to work perfectly but no longer works.

It could be iOS 15 or the latest version of Roon - or both?

One other thing I have also noticed. If I ungroup them in Roon - so both show as separate zones / end points - I can only play to one of them at a time. If I play music on one HomePod/Zone and then try to play music on the other HomePod/Zone, the first zone HomePod/Zone playback.

Hi

I can confirm I’m having the exact same issue.

HomePods are on software version 15.1.1.
Audio plays fine when the devices are isolated. The moment you try and group the devices Roon refuses to playback audio.

Can we please get an update from Roon on this or at least confirm what software versions the HomePods are on in your testing environments?

Many thanks
Pete

Dylan Caudill

Hey, did you get anywhere with this?

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I would also be curious to learn of any progress on HomePod grouping. A temporary workaround is just that, a temporary workaround. And a poor one at that.

Apple devices are ubiquitous. Ignoring them is perilous. HomePods are cool. And really convenient. The audio quality, although not high-end, is excellent. I use my HomePods as my fallback default grouped zone in Roon. They are always ready and available and the sound quality is more than good enough for most playback.

I do hope that this issue is being addressed and in the pipeline for an upcoming release. It would be great if the Roon community were kept well informed on this important shortcoming in the current release and when we might see a fix.

Thanks for listening.

I would like to add that Apple is very cautious with what and how they expose interfaces and design. It’s often very difficult for 3rd party developers to integrate new features and compatibility with Apple products or there is a significant lag before that is possible. This may be the case for HomePod grouping after Apple’s most recent updates. That is, this might be either difficult or impossible at this time.

Since we as a community have very little insight into either Apple or Roon’s source code, we are constrained quite a bit in our ability to intelligently inform and suggest.

All we can do is plead and wait. Open Source software projects are a lot more fun to work with and Open Source has the ability to adapt and integrate at a much faster rate and in ways that proprietary software cannot or will not. But, open source has its pitfalls as well. In general I lean toward and encourage transparency and collaboration. Let’s work together to make things better.

Same problem with 2 HomePod Minis on 15.2 as a stereo pair. Roon will not play on them. Airplaying outside Roon works fine … not what I was aiming for.

Any update on this?

Have mostly been using Apple Music due to the issue and am missing Roon.

I hope this gets fixed soon.

Guy

I think this issue cannot be fixed without implementing Airplay 2.

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@Pawel_Chmielewski perhaps but it was working prior to a recent update. By “working” I mean Roon would play to HomePods that were grouped in Apple Home but I don’t believe Roon was using grouped HomePods as stereo speakers. My guess would be Airplay 2 is needed to replicate stereo HomePods grouped in Home but I really do not know. Just seeing grouped HomePods and using them as a working audio zone in Roon was working without Airplay 2. Obviously, we want everything and the Moon but I would be happy if we could just get back to where we were.

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@Ronald_Record
The stereo pair of HomePods is an exclusive feature of Airplay 2. In Roon, you have to group two mono speakers and send the proper channel (left or right) through DSP. That method worked with the previous Roon version and previous iOS. Because AirPlay in Roon is based on open-source implementation, I don’t think that this issue can be fixed without the proper implementation of AirPlay 2. And I don’t think there were any changes in Roon implementation of Airplay 1 with 1.8 version. (Sorry for my English, I’m not native speaker)

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@Pawel_Chmielewski I defer to your superior knowledge in this area. I’m flying blind and I am not familiar with the open source implementation of AirPlay.

Your English seems pretty ok to me. Thanks for clarifying this for me.

I’m now using Plex when I want to airplay to the Homepods stereo mini pair.

No problem in Plex for these small speakers.

I hope Roon find a solution !!

Hey everyone :wave:

As it was mentioned earlier on the thread, HomePod stereo support is only available via AirPlay2. AirPlay 2 is not supported in Roon.

This is a feature suggestion on this thread:

Please, make sure to vote the feature — our team is tracking this category on community :nerd_face:

Hi beka,

Before Roon / iOS update I was able to play the two Homepods (grouped as stereo pair in Homekit) as separated mono speakers (grouped in Roon + channel DSP). Now I can’t. Airplay 2 will be great but please try fixing Airplay 1 first.

Hey @Pawel_Chmielewski and all :wave:

Thanks a lot for mentioning that — it made us take a closer look and it turns out we’ve been able to reproduce the behavior in house. There is now a ticket in with our team — please, stay tuned.

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thanks for support!

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