# Hi-rez foolishness **URL:** \ **Category:** Qobuz\ **Created:** [October 27, 2020, 9:22pm UTC](https://community.roonlabs.com/t/hi-rez-foolishness/125782 "2020-10-27T21:22:28Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 7
**Author:** ![Lionel](https://community.roonlabs.com/user_avatar/community.roonlabs.com/lionel/32/24163_2.png) [@Lionel](https://community.roonlabs.com/u/Lionel)\ **Post date:** [November 7, 2020, 12:20pm UTC](https://community.roonlabs.com/t/hi-rez-foolishness/125782/123 "2020-11-07T12:20:11Z")
I’m a beer guy. ---
**Author:** ![herdel](https://community.roonlabs.com/letter_avatar/herdel/32/5_5575768a8748004e209b776fc1b2916d.png) [@herdel](https://community.roonlabs.com/u/herdel)\ **Post date:** [November 7, 2020, 12:22pm UTC](https://community.roonlabs.com/t/hi-rez-foolishness/125782/124 "2020-11-07T12:22:49Z")
No problem let’s add beer and others… ---
**Author:** ![garye](https://community.roonlabs.com/user_avatar/community.roonlabs.com/garye/32/84909_2.png) [@garye](https://community.roonlabs.com/u/garye)\ **Post date:** [November 7, 2020, 12:23pm UTC](https://community.roonlabs.com/t/hi-rez-foolishness/125782/125 "2020-11-07T12:23:36Z")
She frequently wines about my music ---
**Author:** ![tripleCrotchet](https://community.roonlabs.com/letter_avatar/triplecrotchet/32/5_5575768a8748004e209b776fc1b2916d.png) [@tripleCrotchet](https://community.roonlabs.com/u/tripleCrotchet)\ **Post date:** [November 7, 2020, 12:27pm UTC](https://community.roonlabs.com/t/hi-rez-foolishness/125782/126 "2020-11-07T12:27:49Z")
My old 80’s era walkman cassette easily outperforms my high rez digital. Takes about 6 pints of Newkie Brown though. ---
**Author:** ![Roland](https://community.roonlabs.com/user_avatar/community.roonlabs.com/roland/32/82391_2.png) [@Roland](https://community.roonlabs.com/u/Roland)\ **Post date:** [November 7, 2020, 1:09pm UTC](https://community.roonlabs.com/t/hi-rez-foolishness/125782/127 "2020-11-07T13:09:45Z")
Less than half a pint will do – … if you pour it in your DAC. ---
**Author:** ![SKBubba](https://community.roonlabs.com/user_avatar/community.roonlabs.com/skbubba/32/153825_2.png) [@SKBubba](https://community.roonlabs.com/u/SKBubba)\ **Post date:** [November 7, 2020, 3:41pm UTC](https://community.roonlabs.com/t/hi-rez-foolishness/125782/128 "2020-11-07T15:41:42Z")
Sometimes a really good sounding Qobuz track pops up and I glance at the monitor and notice it’s 44.1/16. It’s all in the mastering. Also, re. my original post, I get that there may be technical reasons to master, say, a symphony orchestra recording in 24 bit to capture every last .1db of dynamic range between a triangle and a timpani.\* Guns n Roses is a massive wall of compressed, distorted rock and roll noise, as it should be. (\*Not to mention that even if you had a system capable of reproducing 24 bits of dynamic range it would blow out your windows at max volume and also permanently damage your hearing.) ---
**Author:** ![TKelley](https://community.roonlabs.com/letter_avatar/tkelley/32/5_5575768a8748004e209b776fc1b2916d.png) [@TKelley](https://community.roonlabs.com/u/TKelley)\ **Post date:** [November 8, 2020, 12:40am UTC](https://community.roonlabs.com/t/hi-rez-foolishness/125782/129 "2020-11-08T00:40:23Z")
Speaking of hi-res foolishness … This $ 640.00 ethernet switch is reviewed in this months absolute sound magazine. Yes Some of the stuff out there is EXTREMELY foolish! > **[EtherREGEN](https://uptoneaudio.com/products/etherregen)** > > Advanced audiophile Ethernet switch with differential isolation and femto reclocking. I bought this and it works great! $ 80.00 at BestBuy > **[GS808E | Nighthawk Switches | Switches | Networking | Home | NETGEAR](https://www.netgear.com/home/products/networking/switches/Nighthawk-switches/GS808E.aspx)** ---
**Author:** ![DanielAvasilichioaei](https://community.roonlabs.com/user_avatar/community.roonlabs.com/danielavasilichioaei/32/113101_2.png) [@DanielAvasilichioaei](https://community.roonlabs.com/u/DanielAvasilichioaei)\ **Post date:** [November 8, 2020, 8:47am UTC](https://community.roonlabs.com/t/hi-rez-foolishness/125782/130 "2020-11-08T08:47:16Z")
> [@TKelley](#): > > This $ 640.00 ethernet switch is reviewed in this months absolute sound magazine. Would you please share the link to this review? ---
**Author:** ![blbeczech82](https://community.roonlabs.com/user_avatar/community.roonlabs.com/blbeczech82/32/167113_2.png) [@blbeczech82](https://community.roonlabs.com/u/blbeczech82)\ **Post date:** [November 8, 2020, 11:09am UTC](https://community.roonlabs.com/t/hi-rez-foolishness/125782/131 "2020-11-08T11:09:51Z")
Another lies here. 1K$ eth cable? I think it’s easy for “audiophiles” to believe if they don’t understand how networking and protocols works. If this cost so much there must be difference. Hmmm, I hear it! Once so called audiophile will tell he can hear difference by router or eth cable, then his other statements are not reliable (like he can hear difference between CD and hi-res) > **[The JCAT Signature LAN - A $1,000 Ethernet Cable - Audio Bacon](https://audiobacon.net/2019/11/02/the-jcat-signature-lan-a-1000-ethernet-cable/amp/)** > > Intro Contents 1. Intro2. JCAT Signature LAN Cable3. Sound4. Comparisons5. Permutations & Findings6. Final ThoughtsCommentsLike many of you, I woke up thinking “You know what, I feel like listening to some audiophile Ethernet cables today!” So I... ---
**Author:** ![DanielAvasilichioaei](https://community.roonlabs.com/user_avatar/community.roonlabs.com/danielavasilichioaei/32/113101_2.png) [@DanielAvasilichioaei](https://community.roonlabs.com/u/DanielAvasilichioaei)\ **Post date:** [November 8, 2020, 12:22pm UTC](https://community.roonlabs.com/t/hi-rez-foolishness/125782/132 "2020-11-08T12:22:38Z")
> [@blbeczech82](#): > > Another lies here. How did you deduce that these are lies? You performed experiments, measurements, etc. with that cable? I ask out of curiosity… ---
**Author:** ![blbeczech82](https://community.roonlabs.com/user_avatar/community.roonlabs.com/blbeczech82/32/167113_2.png) [@blbeczech82](https://community.roonlabs.com/u/blbeczech82)\ **Post date:** [November 8, 2020, 1:31pm UTC](https://community.roonlabs.com/t/hi-rez-foolishness/125782/133 "2020-11-08T13:31:16Z")
I’m networking guy so I understand how networking and TCP/IP works so I know there’s no experiment needed from principle. I will very simplify explanation. Network is not transferring audio signal but data. What makes audio signal from this data is device which receives this data. Data transport you can imagine like splitting big data (file) into very small data with adddress (and some more information) called packets. Each packet keeps information from where it was sent to where it is sent (and some more). Those millions of packets are queued by sender and travels to recipient. Because it can be received out of order (not FIFO) or some packet can be lost, recipient is queuing this data and if some are missing or corrupted, he asks sender to send again (speaking about TCP now, not UDP). In total you transfer more data than reqired because of packet loss, packet header etc. So on top of data you want to transfer you transfer much more data just to be sure you receive original data properly. If there would be any chance that cable or router or whatever modify your data then all internet will collapse. Thinking that audio file (digital data not analog signal) is somehow modified by cable or such is like to think that during online financial transaction you will receive less money because of wrong quality cable. ---
**Author:** ![acbarn](https://community.roonlabs.com/user_avatar/community.roonlabs.com/acbarn/32/126054_2.png) [@acbarn](https://community.roonlabs.com/u/acbarn)\ **Post date:** [November 8, 2020, 1:55pm UTC](https://community.roonlabs.com/t/hi-rez-foolishness/125782/134 "2020-11-08T13:55:46Z")
This CD vs hi-res debate comes up so often because the audible differences are inconsequential. If they were obvious we wouldn’t have these discussions (like so many other things in audiophilia). I work in music production and on that side 24-bit is useful. On the consumer side 16-bit is all that is required (hence development of the Red Book standard). ---
**Author:** ![blbeczech82](https://community.roonlabs.com/user_avatar/community.roonlabs.com/blbeczech82/32/167113_2.png) [@blbeczech82](https://community.roonlabs.com/u/blbeczech82)\ **Post date:** [November 8, 2020, 1:59pm UTC](https://community.roonlabs.com/t/hi-rez-foolishness/125782/135 "2020-11-08T13:59:13Z")
Fully agree. I found only studies showing that people who think they hear difference are wrong but never saw result that somebody pass this test **repeatedly** with more than 60% accuracy. Why those internet famous audiophiles reject doing this test live and publicly? ---
**Author:** ![HWZ](https://community.roonlabs.com/user_avatar/community.roonlabs.com/hwz/32/48425_2.png) [@HWZ](https://community.roonlabs.com/u/HWZ)\ **Post date:** [November 8, 2020, 2:08pm UTC](https://community.roonlabs.com/t/hi-rez-foolishness/125782/136 "2020-11-08T14:08:19Z")
> [@acbarn](#): > > If they were obvious we wouldn’t have these discussions You hit the nail on the head. Nobody has ever confused the sound of a tuba with that of a harp… ---
**Author:** ![Chrislayeruk](https://community.roonlabs.com/user_avatar/community.roonlabs.com/chrislayeruk/32/47983_2.png) [@Chrislayeruk](https://community.roonlabs.com/u/Chrislayeruk)\ **Post date:** [November 8, 2020, 2:51pm UTC](https://community.roonlabs.com/t/hi-rez-foolishness/125782/137 "2020-11-08T14:51:07Z")
It’s not inconsequential to me as I listen to Richard Hawley in MQA. There is more you can do over and above CD quality. I remember Meridian stating that CD was accidentally just good enough and so they went about the process of developing high end CD reproduction through research in to the topic. Since those days, so much had been learned along with research in to how humans perceive sound. They used to say 20 bit was enough but 24 bit made computer calculations simple. ---
**Author:** ![killdozer](https://community.roonlabs.com/user_avatar/community.roonlabs.com/killdozer/32/211569_2.png) [@killdozer](https://community.roonlabs.com/u/killdozer)\ **Post date:** [November 8, 2020, 3:00pm UTC](https://community.roonlabs.com/t/hi-rez-foolishness/125782/138 "2020-11-08T15:00:09Z")
> [@Chrislayeruk](#): > > CD was accidentally just good enough This wasn’t an accident at all, rather a decision based on established theory, but I’d agree that it’s just enough. > [@Chrislayeruk](#): > > They used to say 20 bit was enough but 24 bit made computer calculations simple. Quite the opposite, 24 bit manipulations and arithmetic are considerably more computationally expensive than 20 bit. ---
**Author:** ![HWZ](https://community.roonlabs.com/user_avatar/community.roonlabs.com/hwz/32/48425_2.png) [@HWZ](https://community.roonlabs.com/u/HWZ)\ **Post date:** [November 8, 2020, 3:14pm UTC](https://community.roonlabs.com/t/hi-rez-foolishness/125782/139 "2020-11-08T15:14:04Z")
> [@Chrislayeruk](#): > > research in to how humans perceive sound The people doing this kind of research ALL agree that the difference between high res audio and CD quality is very difficult (if not impossible) to hear. Be honest. You haven’t read a single scientific study on this subject, let alone done any scientific research yourself. > [@Chrislayeruk](#): > > It’s not inconsequential to me as I listen to Richard Hawley in MQA. Listening to Richard Hawley in MQA tells you absolutely nothing about the audibility or inaudibility of differences between high res and CD quality. ---
**Author:** ![acbarn](https://community.roonlabs.com/user_avatar/community.roonlabs.com/acbarn/32/126054_2.png) [@acbarn](https://community.roonlabs.com/u/acbarn)\ **Post date:** [November 8, 2020, 3:14pm UTC](https://community.roonlabs.com/t/hi-rez-foolishness/125782/140 "2020-11-08T15:14:49Z")
MQA? Nope. I won’t bother to go there since we’ve all heard the arguments, ad nauseam. ---
**Author:** ![Chrislayeruk](https://community.roonlabs.com/user_avatar/community.roonlabs.com/chrislayeruk/32/47983_2.png) [@Chrislayeruk](https://community.roonlabs.com/u/Chrislayeruk)\ **Post date:** [November 8, 2020, 3:20pm UTC](https://community.roonlabs.com/t/hi-rez-foolishness/125782/141 "2020-11-08T15:20:22Z")
I was talking from a listener perspective. And CD was just good enough based on theory and early on limitations in technology. It could have been worse. I also remember Meridian talking about the early Philips CD players being designed by electronic engineers with little thought or knowledge about quality audio. So the first high end CD player was when Meridian re engineered that machine to put the situation right. ---
**Author:** ![Chrislayeruk](https://community.roonlabs.com/user_avatar/community.roonlabs.com/chrislayeruk/32/47983_2.png) [@Chrislayeruk](https://community.roonlabs.com/u/Chrislayeruk)\ **Post date:** [November 8, 2020, 3:21pm UTC](https://community.roonlabs.com/t/hi-rez-foolishness/125782/142 "2020-11-08T15:21:26Z")
I am enjoying it and that’s the final arbiter on the subject, it’s never sounded so good here. [Previous page](https://community.roonlabs.com/t/hi-rez-foolishness/125782.md?page=6) [Next page](https://community.roonlabs.com/t/hi-rez-foolishness/125782.md?page=8)