How are the Top Perfomers Selected

I appreciate that everyone’s taste varies but I keep getting recommended Top Performers that I have never heard of.

I am listening Mozart Piano Quartet no.1 , I look at top performers and i get a set of viola players not even a mention of the Beaux Arts Trio , to me the premier Piano Trio ensemble of the last 40 years . OK my opinion but not one of the recommendations is a recognised piano trio ensemble

Could we be enlightened as to how these selections are made.

Some are good, take Beethoven’ Waldstein we get Gilels, Kempff, Brendel as I might expect

Others , and most , are way off ,not even matters of opinion

Valence is taking not just your listening history into consideration, but the rest of the Roon community as well so results are likely to be off your beaten path, I think.

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I understand that but some of the names have no relation to anything in the work involved.

It’s not a new phenomenon

Eg Istvan Vardai has one chamber album to his name the other 6 are solo cello efforts , also no bio I hate say it but “who is he?” Perhaps I am missing out a budding talent :smiling_imp:

Google is your friend:

Thanks Geoff. I am just listening their rendition of the quartet, Gramophone doesn’t slate them, perhaps I need to broaden my horizons .

Recorded in an Irish church :sunglasses:

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Hey @Mike_O_Neill!

Thanks for getting in touch with your observations. As @Geoff_Coupe mentioned, some of what you see in the Top Performers area is inspired by other Roon listeners. Please think of it as another discovery tool, not necessarily a reflection of your personal listening habits.

That being said, your thread piqued the curiosity of one of our developers. He’s going to investigate to ensure that it’s working as intended. :+1:t2:


Thanks @jamie , I look forward to what comes from this

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One observation.

The “Top Performer” always seems to be an instrumentalist rather than an ensemble. So in the context of a Symphony, the top performer is a Conductor or if a Piano, Violin, Cello etc. concerto its the soloist.

But this logic breaks down with chamber music. If its a trio / quartet / quintet / sextet etc. then the top performer is still an instrumentalist rather than an ensemble and it all starts looking a bit random. Especially with formats like Trio where there is no obvious lead instrument.

With choral music there is a jarring inconsistency. Instead of chorus/choir masters (as with orchestra conductors) there is usually a random collection of singers.

But I’m not sure why the Top Performer cannot be an ensemble, or at least why it is not mixed up. That’s what happens with other search methods. For example, if you do a search on a symphony or a string quartet then the suggested artists tend to be ensembles such as orchestras and quartets rather than soloists.

The other Valence question (maybe a title change) is how Roon Radio picks its next track

This morning during breakfast it went from Fur Elise to Symphony No.5 , made my eggs wobble

But seriously the Classical genre is so wide it can literally do that. Roon defines multiple sub genre in classical, a track to follow should at least be the same vein, ie piano to piano. Piano to Symphony or Piano to Opera is a bit jarring especially during breakfast :smiling_imp:

I was listening to Face a Face yesterday because I’m a fan of anyone called Kurtag, Snr or Jnr. It’s utterly brilliant and compelling.

Any Kurtag specialists will know you usually only get one note at a time, and often there is quite a wait for it to happen.

When it came to an end, Roon decided to play something called “Trio” (Dollar Brand/Don Cherry/Carlos Ward/Abdullah Ibrahim). I almost had a heart attack. Was it a built in practical joke? Does the algorithm try and meet a note-quotient? This might explain Beethoven 5 following Fur Elise.

I’m still recovering, I’ll get there in the end.