The New Releases for You section takes up some pretty prime real estate on the Roon Home Screen but for me the suggestions are 99% irrelevant to my listening habits and library content. Right now (and for the last couple of months) the suggestions are 100% classical albums. The Singles section is very slightly better, but still mostly classical.
I have about 60 ‘classical’ albums across the 6000 odd local/Tidal library.
The behavior I expect from New Releases for You is to surface any new releases from artists that I:
Favourite
Listen to a lot
Are related to the above two
I have read a lot of the other threads on the same topic, but the only consistent answer from other members is ‘this feature doesn’t work well’ which is a bit of a disappointment.
I like that idea, what would work for me is to leave the selection as is, but add the Album symbol up on the selection bar,
and clicking it would filter the album list to artists in your library.
While yeah, why not, it seems that it would not help very much in your case if the suggestions are 99% irrelevant. Then you’d get an empty section after clicking the library button
It’s strange that some people are afflicted by this behavior, and this would be the first and obvious improvement Roon has to make. (It doesn’t seem to affect everyone - I don’t listen to classical and never get any classical suggestions, and I do get suggestions largely like what you’d expect, plus a dose of various others, which is fine)
From various roon comments over the years I don’t think roon’s weighting of individual listening habits is anywhere near high enough. It’s more weighted to the overall user base listening habits. The only logic I can think of is that way you get recommendations you wouldn’t think of which is sort of the point. That is clearly what is happening for those that get Classical recommendations when they don’t listen to Classical but roon is not taking into account that maybe they just don’t want Classical recommendations. So clearly roon’s recommendation strategy needs work as its current simplistic recommendation rules just don’t work for many.
Probably what is happening is that if you listen to Pop/Jazz etc. that is also listened to by the Classical crowd you get Classical recommendations, if you don’t you don’t. In my case I listen to about 50/50 Classical/Non-Classical and that is reflected in the recommendations mix I get which might seem reasonable. But actually I would prefer much less Classical recommendations as they tend to be endless recommendations for new recordings of old favorites of which I already have many and I am not really interested. So for example, I currently have 53 Classical recommendations out of a total of 104 recomendations, but most are core repertoire for Brahms, Mozart, Beethoven, Chopin etc. and I already have dozens of recordings as Classical is essentially a “covers” genre. The Classical recommendations I am getting are probably a reflection of the overall listening habits of the roon Classical user base, but from my perspective it is is just a lot of noise I have to manually filter out. I would much prefer much fewer Classical recommendations and much more for other non-Classical genres I also listen to where the predominance of “covers” is much less and where the music is genuinely new and unfamiliar.
Then you miss understood the idea, exactly, you jump to that list, there are hundreds of albums, you click the Library symbol and only ones related to an artist or album already in your library are displayed.
Now you wont have to search through all the usless albums.
I understood that, and it would surely be helpful in many cases.
I just added that it’s not a complete solution for people like @Astr0b0y if they get “99%” of irrelevant suggestions, because limiting the suggestions to artists in their library would then leave them with zero or very few suggestions.
In case like this, something is wrong with the algorithm and this needs fixing.
A lot of the comments on these sorts of threads are that there are too many Classical recommendations for those who don’t listen to Classical much. But even if you want Classical recommendations, the roon algorithm is not doing a great job.
A quick look at the numbers is revealing. Qobuz currently has 467 “new” Classical recommendations of which 17 mention “Mozart” in the album title. That’s 3.6%. From those 467 recommendations roon has drilled down to 53 Classical recommendations. Of those 10 mention “Mozart” in the title. That’s 18.9%.
The difference as far as I am aware is that the Qobuz recommendations are hand-picked by Classical experts whereas the roon recommendations are heavily weighted in favor of the roon user base listening profile. The problem is that the roon recommendation subset risks becoming a self-fulfilling lowest common denominator rather than an opportunity to widen the Classical listening palette for those that are interested
This is not meant to be scientific in anyway. For example, I haven’t taken into account albums with a significant Mozart component in the programing that is not mentioned in the album title. I rather suspect though that deeper analysis of other composers/instrumentation/period/sub-genre would support these trends.
Sorry, I also understand the original request, which to me is very complex, somehow mapping all your albums/artists to every new release possibly available. What I did say was “what would work for me”, meaning at least if we could get the “In Your Library” button, to filter what is in the current displayed llst of New Albums/Artists to what is in my library so I only have to look at a couple of items.
Not trying to argue with you, just stating that if it’s too much work to undertake, at least give us a filter button, similar to what exists today when you display an Artists Discograpy.
Sorry, I haven’t seen many of our requests implemented, I do love the idea, just feel that it will never happin due to the complexity, but I’d at least like to see something, as i’ve spent a load of time going through and sampling the New Releases, and never get anything out of it, but at least it would be an improvement if i could relate the new releases to what i already have. I agree with you, Please improve it.
I just spent the last hour sampling music, not via the new releases feature but via the Recommend Albums & Similar Albums sections at the bottom of an Album display, so any improvement is welcome.
That’s interesting – my New Releases section is reasonably relevant. In fact, I almost have the opposite problem: it generally just suggests artists I already have in my library, and I wish it was a bit better at suggesting new artists that I might like. I’m used to the same sort of behavior from Tidal, which was my primary source of music before I became a Roon user, so I’ve always assumed that my Roon New Releases for You section was simply being pulled directly from my connected Tidal account.
Is having a connected and well-used Tidal account a common factor for anyone else who is/isn’t getting relevant recommendations?
For me , it’s always alot classical, jazz and other stuff I don’t listen to.
My HDD Library mainly consints off metalcore, post hardcore and heavy stuff…
If I wouldn’t see new music on youtube , I would miss alot new music…
