I don’t like 1.8 - it feels like a massive failure

Thanks @SimplicityCompass I’d just realised my error and was returning with a correction. I’ll leave them both standing as the link I posted might be of interest. It’s also clearly not the interview in question though :wink:

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No I haven’t reported the endpoint issue. I have two other open support cases (one stretches back over a month and although I got a reply from Norris, I am still waiting for the issue to be resolved. The other is only a day old). I figured I’d wait until those are resolved before requesting help with the endpoints, and also to wait to see if bug fixes take care of the problem. Where can I see and follow my open cases?

I’m about a third of the way through this video. They use Ella Fitzgerald as a use case for how Valence “popularity” works. So I brought up Ella Fitzgerald and I get a few famous albums I expected to see but also “Ella Wishes You a Swinging Christmas”. Is anyone else seeing this? Is Valance working 3 months in arrears?

Yep, I read your first issue. I’m not party to how support are helping you, but boxsets are certainly an issue in Roon - it needs to be improved. I guessing, but perhaps the issue needs to be resolved by the metadata provider, not Roon?

I can only suggest looking at this topic:

Perhaps editing the metadata outside Roon will help make all of your boxset visible? In most cases it’s an longstanding issue with the metadata Roon receives from providers, and possibly for you, a few distinct album releases being within the boxset. In the case of classical, the distributors can’t even agree on an industry wide standard for metadata.

Sadly, only from your DM’s with Roon support. Roon should certainly have an issue/ticket management system.

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Trying to sing along to the lyrics to What (extended) by Soft cell and just thing something is not quite right !

Roon if you don’t fix this by tomorrow I’m cancelling my lifetime membership etc …

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Yep, I get this as my second recommendation; new install/database within the last few days, no playing/favouriting of Ella Fitzgerald:

I think Roon are looking at the seasonal themed Roon radio recommendations:

I’m assuming any fix will address Artist page recommendations also, @mike?

Although to be honest, I often listen to seasonal songs outside of the ‘proper’ time. Some great classical pieces are just as lovely to listen to any time of year. So I’d prefer seasonal albums are kept within Artist recommendations. :grinning:


Yeah, I’m not just disappointed as I will have to get an alternative to Roon unless a ton of what’s been addressed and fixed or just give us option to use 1.7 :). I worked all day and don’t need the aggravation right now but I’ll list a couple of m bigger issues. At top of list when we listen to an album and like a track we can Tag it - Put in in a playlist etc and for whatever reason u have decided to get red of that feature . Meaning if I go back a week later to listen to those tracks I have NO Idea where they are and if I listen again I could save the same song again. There is zero track ability . I have 10,000 albums saved … how would I know exactly what Playlist it’s in. What were u guys thinking? It’s mostly all Fluff and limited function. We are constantly scrolling from top to bottom . Credits: the album says artist name and we hit credits and to scroll half way to China just to see the name again w/o saying the instruments that artist plays. All of us want the pertinent info within a short block of each other. This is like 10% of complaints. It’s really bad Roon Team. What are u shooting for… A fluffier Puffed up Pandora ish Form and Function. What happen to back button / rankings and hardly any info on artists or album/profile etc. Sorry Roon Team. Someone needs a talking too. Cheers, Brett


Maybe the previous practice of no hints on content or timeframe was a good one after all :sunglasses:

What you don’t know can’t disappoint

The big question is with back end changes for 1.8 how long 1.7 will still function.

Roon specifically have a no roll back policy, they no doubt have a plan when 1.7 will be zapped, it’s probably currently dual maintenance, that can’t last

When you find an alternative, I’m all ears. So far each audio playing app has whiskers on it, there’s some niggle that doesn’t sit right, bringing down the experience. You can’t please everyone, but this release has seen activity from users who haven’t posted for a while to new posters. That in itself has got to ring alarm bells and don’t hide behind stats.

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Well surely Mike must have seen this when preparing his Ella Fitzgerald section on Valence for that video talk? Or maybe the regression is very recent and happened afterwards . . .

I’m new to Roon (trial phase). My first impressions have been very positive so far. @hwz Your enthusiasm is catching. Thanks a lot, mate.


De nada, Z. Very nice to see you here. Welcome!

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Anything of particular interest in the video? I had watched the first 2o minutes or so and then scrolled forward, trying to identify a screenshot that may be interesting to stop for.

What I heard in the beginning was lots of sales and marketing blah blah. Don’t get me wrong: nothing wrong with it - it’s just not what I’m interested to learn from Roon at the moment.

What I learned since 1.8 however, were some hidden features that were very well hidden, at least to me. Would have been interesting to have videos of these kind of stuff, since a proper functional documentation seems to be missing.
Software companies these days seem to rely completely on their userbase to write up Knowledge-Base articles and the like…

That is true, although this is the thread where people are castigated for having an opposing point of view. Thank you for being one of those who can conduct a civil conversation and disagree with someone without comments such as “invalid opinion. Thanks for stopping by,” as others here have done,
Just to clarify, I was suggesting you name people who have changed their tune, so to speak. I think I suggested you cite comments (not names) from “fanboys” who are now detractors. I don’t spend enough time here to recognize when that has happened, it’s perfectly reasonable that you don’t wish to do that.
Because I’m now being harassed outside of this group by one of the people who disagreed with me earlier, I’ll be taking a break from this thread. When I joined these forums years ago, when this was a kinder place, I used my real name. It now seems that at least one of the members who has repeatedly posted here feels the need to hunt people down on social networks. How sad.


Mike Fass is product so you do get an insight into roon’s direction but I didn’t really see any new “hints and tips” for things I may have missed.

What does come across is how central “popularity” with the roon user base is to the recommendation and radio logic. My own experience is that I get a very mixed experience from very good to not very good depending on genre. Even in the video Mike points out that with roon machine learning Herbie Hancock “prime” recommendations are skewed to more recent releases rather than what human curation would consider his prime. He puts this down to the popularity with roon listeners of a relatively recent Joni Mitchell covers album. So I think the jury is out on that one. Is the roon user base in certain genres really large enough to make that ML approach work?

It certainly matches my experience that I get very variable results depending on genre. I had a quick look at “Concerto” and “Symphony”, for example, in roon and got recommended Vivaldi’s 4 seasons and Beehoven’s 5th. No surprises there. But what value is roon adding? I also find I get poor results with “Rock” but I get much better results with “Alternative”. Maybe the older roon demographic has something to do with it.

I was also very surprised to see “production” being used as a search category in several of the use cases but I think several of the roon founders come from a pro-audio background. So as I say an interesting video to get an insight into roon direction but it is long and TBH I gave up long before the end.


That’s beyond sad, it’s (borderline?) harassment. IMHO other party should be forced to take a break, not yourself.


sad indeed


Sorry. This is totally unacceptable - if you know who the user is, please report them to mods.


Not sure, may be he just missed that one.