Maybe the new background task scheduler will help you (it’s in EA). Browsing is never slow for me unless the background tasks kick in, so it’s not as if it was fundamentally slow
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Mines been very slow recently for some reason
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Probably the reason in the big blue banner on top of the forum, which seems to be affecting all or most people (and which already had been building up over the course of the last week). More here:
I know I voted earlier BUT …
Just as important, possibly even more so - Roon should create a complete and comprehensive API to allow the user community smart folks to create their own APIs. Probably many of the suggestions in this poll could be satisfied by the user community developing an open-source API and taking the burden off Roon developers who could have time to work on the important infrastructure stuff. And, who knows, maybe we’ll get a proper fully-fledged Linux client at last!!!
Not knocking the already excellent community clients that I already use on both Linux and Apple TV but an API to allow building something akin but better than the existing Roon clients on Windows, Mac and Android would be incredibly powerful
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I would love to see a comprehensive set of diagnostics onboard that would help me troubleshoot when Roon gets painfully slow, when it can’t find the Roon server, when there’s a server-side issue, etc… Is it my local area network? Internet service? Is it the OS drive where Roon is installed? It is likely a very complicated challenge given the multiple plaforms, but I have no doubt RoonLabs knows better than anyone what can go wrong and how to diagnose it. Something that can do a network check, a scan of the Roon logs, tools that can assess the speed and latency of the OS drive, perhaps a means to ping Roon to see if there are ongoing issues? That might not deal with all problems but it’s bound to help more than attempting to scan these Roon community forums looking for answers. Might even be a way to log a problem ticket which would include all needed info about the Roon install.
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Indeed, I decided to go with Rock rather than a Roon server on Linux installation (which I had previously) because I wondered what optimisations Roon may have made in Rock
And I understand the black-box, treat Rock just as another piece of Hifi hardware idea. And I can certainly see the inhibiting of SSH, but providing some basic diagnostics via the web interface surely wouldn’t be out of line - my printer has better diagnostics than Rock!
It goes against the grain not to have basic diagnostics and performance monitoring. Does Roon see Rock purely for the less technically-minded and expect that those who are interested in performance monitoring and diagnostics would go for a Linux server install.
If that is the case perhaps Roon might like to comment and document any OS optimisations they have made in Rock (if, indeed, any at all) and provide clearer positioning information between Rock and a stand-alone Linux server installation.
The lack of basic diagnostics is making me rethink, I may well host a Roon server as a Proxmox VM (or LXC) and see the stability/performance differences.
The Nucleus and ROCK/NUC devices are intended as “music appliances”, not general purpose computers. Similarly, I don’t expect to see performance monitoring or computer diagnostics in my microwave, washing machine or in my Denon AVR for that matter.
Of course, if you want to have these, then you are free to run Roon on a general purpose computer. But not everyone does.
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Geoff - my printer does have diagnostics, and even my washing machine gives me some code on its LCD when it fails. Rock has pretty much Zilch.
But if you re-read my post you should note that I appreciated Rock as an appliance and the alternative being a self-install Linux + Roon server. The questions I implied in my comment were whether Rock has specific optimisations and, if so, whether these can be used to provide guidelines to optimise any self Linux+ Roon server installs.
I have run both (and will likely go back to Linus + Roon server, but this time running on a Proxmox LXC) - I switched to Rock because I wondered if the dedicated, and I’m assured optimised set-up, would have any performance gains. Of course without any diagnostics this is impossible to gauge.
So whist I appreciate the Roon wants to keep Rock as a black-box (dumber than many of my other appliances) to allow simple installation that is standardised and so can be fully supported, then what would be so wrong with sharing its implementation or any tweaks to allow the technically minded to implement any optimisations that the Roon techies have found beneficial.
I’m a wee bit disappointed - I thought I had written my comment in a manner that showed I had understood and agreed with the Rock black-box implementation presenting Rock as a software commodity in the same way Nucleus is the hardware commodity. But wondered whether basic performance info might be useful - Rock can be officially installed over a range of hardware - my modest library’s implementation is on an old NUC i3 6th gen for example. What diagnostics do I have to ascertain that such an implementation is creaking under the weight of my increasing library or perhaps new DSP implementations - so that I can justify buying newer, faster hardware, increase RAM or whatever. And if that is deemed outside the scope of Rock (shame) then guidance on how best to optimise my own self-hosted Linux+Roon server install where I do have the wherewithal to acquire diagnostics to make such decisions would be useful. The current Roon Linux installation page is excellent in detailing what needs to be in place for a successful Roon server install but has no real optimisation advice.
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Geoff, I hear what you’re saying and don’t necessarily disagree. But, even microwaves occasionally have problems. I’ve been using a NUC running ROCK for 6 years and do occasionally experience issues with Roon… unfortunately, more of late it seems. Without any form of diagnostics I have to rely on these forums to seek help in understanding what might be going on. Early on these forums were an awesome resource but now they’ve become a bit of a burden to use effectively (despite heroic effort by moderators such as yourself and other skilled users that have the time and patience to weigh in). So, at least for me, ONE dream feature would be a better way to diagnose and resolve Roon issues when they crop up.
Actually I do and it was one of the features I mentioned somewhere back. Sometimes a track will pop-up and I’l go “Oh, these guys! I haven’t thought about these guys for ages!”. And what I usually do is look at their discography on Wikipedia and see if they have released something new. That works for 98% of the artists/bands in my library. But it also means I often have this nagging feeling I’m missing stuff out. And I’m also not keyed into new artists.
Tidal is cheap enough, €7.50 where I live. I hadn’t considered it yet until you mentioned that use case. But 10 years ago I just couldn’t understand the point of a music streamer. I then got spotify as a replacement for media on a local drive to play in the car. Then I found out the importance of a good DAC etc etc. I moved to Roon a couple of years ago because Audirvana was failing me and then I went the way of Roon Rock because then I could have Arc and cancel Spotify.
You have no idea how much a resist new ways of doing stuff 
I eventually get there, 10 years after everybody and through a very torturous way.
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Have to disagree with you a little here Geoff. What you are saying may be true for the Nexus, but not for a Rock. I did not buy all the parts for my microwave, assemble it, configure the BIOS, or install the software. I’ve had to send back parts when a fan went bad and I’ve had to open it several times to deal with issues. My knowledge of the Rock is quite different from any appliance I’ve ever owned.
A ROCK/NUC is simply a DIY music appliance 
Even Roon’s documentation refers to ROCK as a Roon OS install where Roon OS is a Linux system (although one which gives an appliance-type user experience).
My post suggested one of two things which would be desirable for many users
a) add basic diagnostics to Rock to allow tech savvy users enough information to appraise whether their Rock appliance is suffering from hardware limitations or failures. So users can decide whether upgrades to their ‘best-in-class’ [quote from the docs] system would improve it or fix hardware related failings or shortcomings.
Or b) provide the Roon community with details of the customisations and optimisations to Roon OS that may set a Rock installation apart from a standard Roon server installation on a user’s chosen Linux server platform. This would enable users to ensure that the ‘best in class’ features enabled in Rock are mirrored as closely as possible within their own Roon server installation but with the diagnostic freedom that such a Roon server would possess.
A Rock/NUC is a strange hybrid, it wants to be a ‘best in class’ music appliance but users choice of hardware could lead to hardware mismatches for their load of library size/DSP usage and so easily thwart that goal, even when using supported hardware. So it’s not so much of an ask that a Rock user be provided with sufficient diagnostics to ensure they are meeting Roon’s stated goal of
a custom Linux-based operating system, tailored for running Roon Server and providing a best-in-class, appliance-type user experience.
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The Linux kernel and a customized environment are what powers the majority of appliances these days.
Top feature for me would be customization. Let me decide what I see and what I don’t. I want the option to remove all the useless recommendations and the clickbait. I would also like to get rid of the endless scrolling by allowing a more compact overview. Let me choose the font size and the spacing between lines.
Roon has great features, but the overview is poor. The endless scrolling is dreadful. It honestly takes away about half of the enjoyment of using Roon.
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Could not agree more. Oversized fonts and graphics result in way too much scrolling for my wrists. Why oh why after I have clicked on local albums in the sidebar does the fist page of albums have “My Albums” in 1000 point font taking up a third of the window. The person who designed that must be one of the very few Windows Vista fans……
A dated UI look and feel that for me is just plain ugly and lacking in any conformance to the OS’s that it runs on.
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Could I say two? 
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Sort and search by album length
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The focus filter on listen later function