Is there a way to search for song titles effectively?

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Use Search and scroll to tracks? Then click view all tracks if necessary?

This is a question Iā€™ve been wanting to ask and wondered whether I have missed someone asking it earlier. Perhaps not.

It would be nice to be able to search for a song title in Roon and have it deliver meaningful results. I search fruitlessly on a regular basis and end up going to the Tidal app or AllMusic.com.

Just a wishā€¦

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Hey @dbtom2 and @Jim_Austin --can you give us some examples of what youā€™re searching for, what youā€™re expecting, and what youā€™re actually getting?

I have some of my own frustrations with our current search, but Iā€™d like to confirm that my frustrations are the same as yours :wink:

Sorry, this is going to be a bit long.

Iā€™m moderately satisfied with the solution offered above by @Ludwig, although it could use some refinement, as youā€™ll see.

Quick aside, which Iā€™ll come back to: This appears to be partly about integration of Roon with Tidal. More on this later.

The search that provoked the post was for ā€œLet It Be.ā€ No quotation marks. The ā€œTop Resultā€ was the album of that name by The Replacements. The Beatles album by that title should be in there, but itā€™s not showing up in my library, so I wonā€™t blame Roon for that; maybe I screwed up the rip/import last winter (another boxed-set import issue). Iā€™ll have to dig that back out of the box and try again.

Below that top result, Iā€™ve got a list of library albums, starting with The Replacements, followed by Marvin Gaye (ā€œLetā€™s ā€¦ā€; close enough I guess), some CC Coletti (the Led Zep covers; whatā€™s the connection?), two Tchaikovsky ballet albums (no idea), ā€¦ finally, oddly, the White Albumā€“which, youā€™ll note, does not contain the song ā€œLet It Be.ā€

Below this I get ā€œGenres/Balletā€.

Finally we get to Library Tracks: Top result is the Beatles track, the version from the album ā€œ1ā€; So fine, there it is, the top track. Hard to do any better if I donā€™t have the ā€œLet It Beā€ album in my library. I just had to wade through a lot of dreck to get here.

Now letā€™s look on the Tidal side. Tidal has made a very big deal about streaming The Beatles. They have all the major albums and a bunch of other stuff. But I donā€™t see any of the good stuff on my search for Let It Be. Hereā€™s the first row of Tidal albums turned up by my ā€œLet It Beā€ search:

If I click on ā€œView Allā€ I see it: The Beatles album (2015 remaster) is the 15th album listed.

So now letā€™s look at Tidal tracks:

Clicking on ā€œView All,ā€ The Beatles track ā€œLet It Beā€ comes in 11th place.

OK, done with that. One quick note about The Beatles and Tidal integration. Now Iā€™m searching on ā€œBeatlesā€ then clicking on Artist: The Beatles. Letā€™s look at Tidal albums: Hereā€™s what I see:

Eleven albums. Whereā€™s Abbey Road? The White Album? Let it Be? Sargent Pepper? Hard Days Night? For Sale? Magical Mystery Tour? Please Please Me? Revolver? Help!

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I think what @Jim_Austin and @Ludwig wrote pretty well sums it up.

It would be beneficial for me to have the Search function itself expanded. When Iā€™m looking for a song, I know Iā€™m looking for a song, not an album or an artist so a way to restrict Roon from searching anything but song titles would be helpful. I realize that it is possible to refine search using Focus but sometimes I donā€™t know or canā€™t be certain if what I think is the title to the song is the actual title in Roon. Sometimes the same song has a slightly different spelling depending upon the artist.

So it would be nice to have the Search function have a few options for refinement, such as searching Tidal and fuzzy spelling. A search where the results are not first reported by album but by a simple track listing.

Many times when I search for a song in Roon Iā€™m not listening to Roon. Perhaps Iā€™ve got a podcast going (thatā€™s another topic) on iTunes and a commentator mentions a song. Or a hear a song in the bumper music. Or a TV or Film soundtrack has a cover of a song and I canā€™t resist the impulse to figure out what artist did it first. Or I heard the instrumental version in the supermarket and the first thing I do when I get home is search for the name of the song while the ice cream melts on the kitchen counter.

Seriously though, I donā€™t expect Roon to come up with a Shazam feature. Just provide an interface that allows me to mine the depths of Tidalā€™s library as well as my own.

Thanks for asking.

T.

ā€œIs there a way to search for song titles effectively?ā€

Click on the Hamburger menu in the top left of the Roon screenā€¦select ā€œTracksā€ from the list of options

Click on Focus [or just the / key]

Enter the name of the Track you wantā€¦and watch in the background as your Track Listing automatically shrinks to meet the criteria you entered

Itā€™s worth doing it slowly a few times, just to the manner in which Roon ā€œfiltersā€ the list of tracks to meet you criteriaā€¦e.g. just enter ā€œLetā€ and see how the track list shrinksā€¦or enter ā€œBeā€ to see how it shrinks the list

If looking for a Track Name, then the above steps are the quickest way to find an individual trackā€¦even though clicking on the Global Search [top right of Roon]ā€¦and then going to ā€œTracksā€ [as mentioned above] is another way to do it

Try it a few times with different named tracks and you will see that you should be able to find an inficaidual track in 3-5 seconds or less

@Ronnie, hereā€™s what that approach got me. I left the Focus box up so you can see the criteria. The song ā€œLet it be,ā€ which perfectly matches the search criteria, isnā€™t visible; itā€™s fifth on the list, screened by the focus box.

First of all, youā€™ve managed to choose a track name which contains very short words, which can also easily make up part of an artistā€™s name etcā€¦all of which makes your particular search a ā€˜worst caseā€™ scenario

e.g. try entering the words ā€œLong Windingā€ or ā€œMaggieā€ā€¦and you will see a much shorter and more specific list

For your example above, you have the sort option set to ā€œArtistā€™ [notice the blue arrow next to that column headerā€ā€¦and Roon is matching ā€œletā€; ā€œitā€ and ā€œbeā€ with ANY part of the Track, Artist or Album nameā€¦and then sorting the resulting list by your chosen Artist nameā€¦i.e. Patricia Barber

Try changing the Sort to Album nameā€¦and this will likely get you closer to what you want

Just as with a Google search on the webā€¦entering relatively specific words like ā€œMaggieā€ and ā€œWindingā€ above, will always produce more specific results

Whateverā€“Iā€™m convinced (not for the first time but I keep forgetting) that with Roon Focus (not search) is the way to go. Your approach may not have worked perfectly for me, but it was basically what I was looking for. The only way it could be better is if a simple search was smart enough to know what I want and return it, but that would be pretty sophisticated. It would be cool though if search could reflect some of the precision of Focus: Just enter in search terms with certain keystrokes to do a smart, focus-focused search. (Yeah, I know, Roon isnā€™t into keyboards. I still like them. If you havenā€™t used a laptop for your remote, you havenā€™t lived! ;-))

Anyway, thanks for the tip. Itā€™s good enough.