Hello, I am reposting this in the hopes that Roon will work on resolving this ongoing issue. I first posted a year and half ago and did not hear anything or see an improvement. I am having issues when I search Roon and select an artist where I end up with albums from different artist with same name even though I selected a specific artist. Two examples (see screen shots as well) are Banks and Fletcher. When I do same search using native Tidal, the proper albums show up for the artist and no other albums with artists with same name. This should not be very difficult to create unique identifiers for artists with same name. Tidal must be creating a unique key/identifier regardless of same name. Thanks
Of course Roon has unique identifiers because there are lots of artists who share a name and often they are properly kept separate.
Nevertheless, in case there’s an equivalence confusion and discographies get mixed up. Sometimes there’s already a mixup at TiVo and/or MusicBrainz, sometimes it happens in Roon. (Tidal doesn’t provide credit metadata to Roon).
You can report it in Support > Metadata or, if the problem is upstream, fix it yourself in TV/MB.
A very similar discussion is going on here BTW:
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Thanks. I have no idea how to fix upstream as I am using Tidal via Roon. The examples I provided (i.e. Fletcher) are perfectly fine in native Tidal, but in Roon it shows other Fletcher artists when I go to the artist and discography.. Roon is not providing some level of artist uniqueness if Tidal displays properly, but in Roon it brings together multiple artists with same name. I can report it but there are many artists this happens on.
As, like I already said, Tidal doesn’t share credit metadata with Roon, there is nothing to do with Tidal and it doesn’t help Roon if Tidal has it right for some artist.
Roon gets the metadata from TiVo and Musicbrainz. You can make accounts there and then edit / suggest changes:
It’s nice because each edit there helps everyone, but it can admittedly be tedious. In any case, this helps only if the problem is already in the metadata coming from these sources, and not Roon’s additional identification/merging/disambiguation code.
Like I said, you can report such issues here on the forum in Support > Metadata and hope for the best. Sometimes it can take a long time but they often fix things eventually. But yes, there are many such issues (and other issues with metadata. The state of music metadata in this world is generally worse than it should be)
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As mentioned, Tidal´s native app has a different logic and additional structured data behind such search queries. Not getting wrong results in Tidal does not mean that the erroneous data is NOT originating from Tidal.
Are these wrongly assigned releases all main, full albums? Singles/EPs are a mess anyways. I don’t see them as main albums in roon´s artist pages, sourcing streaming solely from Qobuz:
Would take that as an indication the errors are not originating from MB/Xperi/Roon, but from Tidal. In theory it would be possible that both alternative artists named Banks and Fletcher do not exist on Qobuz at all, but at least Banks (UK electronic/rap) does exist, has albums published recognized by roon, and is correctly distinguished from BANKS (US, Alternative):
Unfortunately, if Tidal is the source of the erroneous assignment, editing MusicBrainz or correcting AllMusic/Xperi as @Suedkiez suggested, would not help in this case, because the wrong link would persist. I had a lot of such problems back in the days when using Tidal (mostly with classical compositions and recordings assigned to a certain composition), so I eventually switched to Qobuz last year. Much much better, but still there are such problems, as I have reported with Fish (ex-Marillion) and Queen.
Thanks. Issue seems to be in the main albums and singles/EP sections. For example Fletcher shows the correct albums and then another artist named Fletcher with a bunch of different albums. Same for the singles/EP section.
As mentioned, this is not the case when sourcing music from Qobuz. Main albums section shows 4 entries.
Singles/EP section as well as compilations I tend to ignore. Metadata is just a mess with these releases. Wished I could deactivate both.
Thanks again. Does Qobuz have similar genres as Tidal or is it more focused on classical music?
Same more or less
Would say 90% of releases are available on both platforms, even Hires formats are identical in many cases. Tidal has a bit of an advantage when it comes to more niche releases (electronic music, avantgarde pop from independent producers, classical reissues, older jazz recordings and niche genres). But on the other hand metadata of these is way way worse, with too many questionable versions like former MQA-turned-FLAC-garbage files polluting the discographies. Browsing via recordings per classical composition was basically useless due to metagarbage, for example one and the same recording of an opera or oratorio showing up 68-fold due to every track being labelled as a complete recording. These two issues were the main reasons I quit Tidal.
My theory is that quality both of files and metadata is better in many cases due to the files not only being offered via Qobuz streaming, but can be purchased as pay-per-download. It might encourage record labels and copyright owners to at least a bit pay attention to what they are uploading. Just a theory.
Thank you!