My $1200 Schiit Gungnir MB does the same thing.
This is not intended as a pro-MQA statement: with respect to that experience with your DAC, it seems then that MQA is really not your problem. If your DAC clicks with every resolution or format change, why is your annoyance limited to MQA? It doesn’t bother yoiu when it clicks on a resolution change?
Because resolution changes only happen when playlists have different resolutions.
I only play playlists from Tidal, where MQA tracks are mixed with 44.1 tracks.
If I play a full album (from my SSD or from Tidal) there are no resolution changes hence no clicking.
I’m surprised you only want to listen to 44.1 tracks from Tidal via Roon, wouldn’t that be a minority type of usage? I suspect most people listen to a variety of file types, hence have a non clicking DAC. Pretty inconvenient but pretty small user group though?
Sorry this comment related to a clicking DAC, not the MQA hate campaign. Throughout my fairly long life I’ve worked out people like choice.
This chap wants to listen to 44.1 from Tidal, small case usage.
I am not pro MQA. But this OP’s problem is with his DAC. MQA just happens to be what triggers it. If the OP were to use Qobuz he would have the same problem. If it is that onerous, just convert the sample rate to something fixed before feeding the DAC.
I think you mean Andrew not the OP, Andrew doesn’t do hi-res so he would only sign up for the HI-FI offering from Qobuz and that would limit Qobuz and Roon Radio to streaming of 16/44.1.
If Tidal offered the same option that would work as well.
True, but he is a Tidal user and not a Qobuz user. This thread is “Prefer Tidal FLAC over MQA option” so in this context, as a Tidal user, his point is that this feature request would solve the issue.
However to your point bringing a “focus” functionality to streaming in Roon would solve the issue as a Qobuz user as well. For example, I subscribe to the hi res tier of Qobuz, so when I play music through Roon using Qobuz one of my DACs clicks upon sample rate changes. However, if I use the Qobuz app or even just the browser page, as a hi res subscriber I can select 16/44 only and solve this issue with this particular DAC. So right now Qobuz has a “focus” option and Roon does not! Roon needs to catch up
My 2.5k Holo Spring DAC will also click when changing sample rate or PCM to DSD vice versa. I already get used to it. It is not big deal. Try Roon focus and filter off to a common sample rate and play from there.
Because Tidal only does 44.1 except for MQA artificial Hi-Res
Interesting, I wonder if this is the same issue as in my D2 or just the relay clicks?
Sorry if you posted this previously, but does your DAC click when the sample rate or bit depth changes? (or both?)
I am having a hard time understanding why you percieve these clicks as disturbing, but thats another matter though…
I wouldn’t say it is disturbing. Just annoying.
If you had the choice of having a clicking sound between tracks or having normal silence between tracks which one would you choose?
All I want is to have the choice to turn off MQA so Tidal ONLY plays 44.1 tracks.
I don’t think that’s a big ask, particularly as I paid lifetime membership before MQA came along and there were never any clicks then.
It’s not the relay that ‘clicks’ when the digital stream changes from PCM to DSD (or visa-versa), it’s just a very quiet, high-frequency ‘click’ when the change is made. I don’t have a great deal of DSD material anyway, so I didn’t notice it a great deal, just occasionally. And when it did happen, it wasn’t obtrusive or irritating at all.
Now I have my Roon core/Nucleus set to upsample PCM to DSD, it doesn’t happen at all, as the A1 receives a purely DSD stream from the core.
While Roon may not have the exact option you have asked for it may be able to do what you want and stop the clicks.
All you have to do is change a couple of settings. Note that you can still let Roon do the first MQA unfold so you get the best possible output.
If you have an MQA capable DAC the first thing you need to do is tell Roon it is NOT MQA capable. Go to Settings / Audio and click on the gears to the right of your DAC and select Device Setup and choose No MQA Support for the MQA Capabilities option.
Then you need to configure DSP Sample Rate Conversion for your DAC. While playing a track to your DAC click on the Speaker Icon at the far right of the ribbon, then click on DSP on the popup menu and then enable Sample Rate Conversion. Once it is enabled select CUSTOM for how Roon manages output sample rate and then set all rates over 44.1 to be down sampled to 44.1.
Then play an MQA encoded track and you will get 44.1 output.
Hopefully this will stop the clicks you are hearing.
Please note that I set all sample rates greater than 44.1 to 44.1 to be safe.
If my DAC clicked when changing file types, I might be looking at a DAC that didn’t.
I couldn’t care less. But you obviously do, so why dont you get a DAC that can switch sample/bit rates without mechanical noise then?
If you’re listening to Tidal playlists i assume you are not sitting and listening concentrated, so perhaps a cheaper DAC without relays could do?
Ditto. I wouldn’t swap my Lumin A1 for the world (well, maybe for an X1 )
It’s that bloody good!
Thanks for the comprehensive reply.
I did actually try this earlier and it does work.
The only downside is when I want to listen to a full album of Hi-Res I have to disable DSP.
Not a big deal really and if there isn’t any future upgrade to Roon to disable MQA this is what I will continue to do.
But then I would have to plug the cheap DAC in whenever I listened to a Tidal playlist.
Hardly practical but I guess it would work.
A simple choice in Roon to “prefer 44.1 over MQA” would be better.
I’ll continue to disable DSP for all my stored files.