Playback fails after Roon update on NUC10i7FNH ROCK (ref#WLE904)

What best describes your playback issue?

· Roon skips entire tracks in my queue

What type of Zone is affected by this problem?

· *All of my Zones* are affected.

Does the issue affect all file formats?

· The issue affects *multiple/all* file formats.

Does the issue happen with local library music, streaming service music, or both?

· *Only local library *music is affected.

Where is your local content stored?

· On the same machine where RoonServer is running, internal drive

Please try playing content of a lower sample rate (44.1kHz or 48kHz), does this work as expected?

· No, lower sample rates are still affected

What are the make and model of the affected audio device(s) and the connection type?

· Affects all streaming options: Macbook, DAC, Sonos, TV

Describe the issue

Too many failures. Stopping playback.
- happens all of a sudden.
- happens on all track types.
- happens playing music from local machine (Rock).
- also happens when Roon is idle for 5 minutes after successful playback.
- unworkable.
- started without any changes made on my side, except updating software.

Rock:
- NUC10i7FNH
- SODIMM 1x 16GB
- M.2 PCI-E SSD 500GB (OS)
- WD Red SA500 SSD 2TB (music)
- external SSD via USB-C (backup music and VA music)
- no usage of streaming services

Describe your network setup

See previous answer

Hello @Chester_Jansen ,

Thanks for reaching out. I’ve activated diagnostics for your account and I am seeing the playback error, it looks like it is due to your Roon Server being unable to sync with the audio endpoints. Typically this error is related to an issue somewhere along the network side of things.

Can you provide more information regarding your router model/manufacturer, any switches, range extenders, powerline adapters, etc?

Modem (managed by ISP) >
Netgear Orbi Wifi6 Router (latest FW; delivers IP’s) >
Switch Netgear GS752TPV2 (latest FW) <>
Roon Rock (latest updates) <>
Macbook Pro; OS 15.1.1 /w Roon Client (latest updates)
All CAT6 cables

Running my IP tracer & Stats:

  • Ping Reply Latency = 1.4 ms - 3.1 ms
  • Ping Packet Loss = 9 packages in one week (0.0%)

I have tested the whole network by excluding the switch, excluding cables, pint tests, a.s.o.
No solution. Also all other devices on the network are good to go; no issues.
The most surprising thing is that when I stop playback and wait for 7 minutes or more I get the failure when pressing play: Too many failures. Stopping playback.

Tested ARC via 3G, 4G, 5G and multiple WiFi points. With and without VPN and on three endpoints.
No issues.

Hi @Chester_Jansen ,

Thanks for giving that test a try. I wonder if the behavior would be the same if you try to temporarily set up a fresh database?

  • Create a Backup of your current Roon database
  • Stop RoonServer from running in ROCK’s WebUI
  • Navigate to your ROCK’s Database Location
  • Find the folder that says “RoonServer”
  • Rename the “RoonServer” folder to “RoonServer_old”
  • Restart the RoonServer in the WebUI to generate a new Roon database folder
  • On the Roon Remotes, press “Use another Roon Server” and connect to the new database

Done all that, same issue.
When I play songs all seems to go well. When I pause a song and restart after 8 - 10 minutes: too many failures.

To add: all endpoints (Sonos ver 1, ver 2, TV, mac) have the same issue by using the Roon Mac client.
New issue: I can play approx. 20 tracks and then everything stops. Errors.
Played from the Roon client.

All isuues started with the latest update(s), I am starting to dislike Roon…

Hi @Chester_Jansen ,

Thanks for giving that a try. Looking over the diagnostics further, I only notice issues for zones connected locally to your Mac, you are saying that when this issue happens, you also have issues playing to your Sonos devices (or other zones not connected directly to the MacBook)?

If this is the case, can you please let us know the exact local time + date + track when you notice this? We are currently looking into related reports and the error you had regarding your Mac local zones playback is something that we are currently looking into, though the investigation is still in progress.

I tried to test and narrow down.
Everything I do in the Roon client on my Mac will result in “Too many failures”.
This issues started two updates ago. On my Mac OS side nothing has changed, nor do I use a firewall, VPN or virus scanner which could interact with the client.

I will add the time / track info when I have it available.

Started a Playlist with Metal music, shuffled.

Skip tracks quickly, no issues…every track starts. Let the music go, seems OK.

@23:11 GMT+1 I paused the track “Game Over”, by Machine Head on timestamp 1:02.

I leave the client open, do some browsing, nothings special. Mac connected via LAN and WiFi.

@23:19 GMT+1 I clicked the play button on in the Roon client: Too Many Failures error.

Track info: FLAC 44.1kHz, 24bit

Endpoint is my Mac screen, connected via USB-C.

+4700 albums in the database, Roon v2.0 build 1490 client.

I have added 16 GB memory (now 2x 16), the client is more responsive.
However, the issue is still there.

I have changed all network cables between the NUC/Rock <> Macbook for CAT 7, tested: NO success.
CAT 8: NO success.
CAT 8 full silver cable: NO success.

Getting tired of this…

Any reply and/or action is welcome.

Hey @Chester_Jansen,

Thanks for your continued patience here!

Let’s see if refreshing your Roon database on the Mac may help in this case -

  • Exit out of Roon
  • Navigate to your Roon Database Location on the Mac remote
  • Find the folder that says “Roon”
  • Rename the “Roon” folder to “Roon_old”
  • Reinstall the Roon App from our Downloads Page to generate a new Roon folder
  • Verify if the issue persists on a fresh instance of Roon on the Mac

Thank you!

No, same issue…

TBH, I have no more faith in you guys.
I am doing your test activities instead of your QA. I am a paying customer and I am unable to use my system as it should be.

It’s been 27 days already, so I cannot use my music devices properly for a month now…(even longer as this issue is months old but reported 27 days ago).

It’s getting worse.
After playing for 25/30 minutes, when I press “next track” in a shuffled playlist…same error.
Guys come on, what a lot of crap this is becoming!

There was an update available today.
Unfortunately the error is still present.

@benjamin Can you please resolve this issue…this is taking too long.