Playing Native DSD Issue with Roon Certified DAC (ref#CDM70G)

[pdimages]

Hi! What’s not quite right with Roon?

· None of the above quite fits

None of the above quite fits

· None of these quite match

Tell us what's going on

· Playing Native DSD to a ROON Certified DAC

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[Marian (I stand with Ukraine)]

Hi, welcome! I guess the issue is that DSD gets converted to PCM? If so, try to disable the equalizer and see if that fixes it.

[maddib]

Seems to be a limitation of the X35 regarding roon. Years back discussed here… Cocktail audio X35 converting DSD in PCM - #18 by ged_hickman1
You may check if your X35 has the latest firmware.
It’d be the never ending story of manufacturers not documenting their concrete roon implementation.
PCM/stereo over roon/RAAT seems to be sufficient to get the label “roon Ready”.

[pdimages]

Thank you for the information!

Cocktail Audio has shuttered it’s doors .

ROON is fantastic whilst CA app leaves lots to be desired…

Seems if I want to play Native DSD, I have to use CA app or find another all in one music player. Anyone have recommendations for a decent one with around 100wpc and decent headphone output?

Thanks again

[DDPS]

Have you tried changing your DSD Playback Strategy to DoP?

[Alicja_Lach]

@pdimages

another all in one music player.

Don’t consider SL-G700M2, it has the same problem with native DSD in “Roon ready” mode.

[pdimages]

Tried everything lol.
Honestly, ROON should just feed Native data no matter what format to the DAC/Streamer and let it deal with it.

[Suedkiez (Just a fellow user like you)]

That won’t help if it can’t deal with it. (And if it can deal with it, the device should tell Roon)

[pdimages]

@Alicja_Lach

SL-G700M2

Thanks, i demo’d one of their players few years back.
I still say ROON feed native format ad untended. NVM RAAT.

[Suedkiez (Just a fellow user like you)]

According to the older thread, DSD over RAAT was not implemented in the x35, so blindly sending it can’t fix that

[maddib]

Maybe… everything beyond 44.1kHz stereo PCM over RAAT is pretty much no topic for many manufacturers even in case such units do handle more via other audio protocols.
Is it too costly to implement a bit more for RAAT? I’d assume yes. No matter if it’s a pure software thing or also a hardware limitation.
And in addition, manufacturers seem to be rather shy when it comes to simply tell what their roon Ready units actually support RAAT wise. Before consumers do find out by testing.
Somehow, I think this behavior damages the reputations of roon as well as of involved manufacturers.
Continuing this rather subpar communication towards end consumers is a high risk of “roon Ready” becoming a simple label with limited significance, IMHO.

[Suedkiez (Just a fellow user like you)]

@maddib

everything beyond 44.1kHz stereo PCM over RAAT is pretty much no topic for many manufacturers even in case such units do handle more via other audio protocols.

Is it? Even my Denon Home 150 speaker accepts 192/24 (even if internally it downsamples everything to 44.1 anyway). I don’t think I’ve ever seen on the forum or IRL a device that doesn’t do 192/24 stereo PCM over RAAT, even cheap ones like WiiM.

DSD is clearly a different matter.

I agree that the permanent confusion (including multichannel AVR only working by HDMI) is a problem. Maybe Roon should have made clarity a part of Roon Ready certification. Failing that it would be great if the Partner database could be amended, they say they have an example of every RAAT device for testing, so they should know.