Possible to sell my HQ Player License

There’s no way to make sellers copy unusable, so this doesn’t apply…

Same as for music download content reselling. The service that was providing market place for reselling music downloads was shot down very quickly.

Only you can answer that. Only you know your sales figures, customer base, retention etc.

The “UsedSoft” case was against the software giants where perpetual licenses cost seven figures or more with annual maintenance. In practice, who would pursue a claim for a $100 licence? Music downloads should be no different, but I haven’t looked into that.

FWIW I have no issue with your licensing, but I think your customer service skills could do with honing! :slightly_smiling_face: Neither you nor your customers seem to benefit. Sometimes “rules” can get in the way; usually there are other factors to consider. It’s easy to sabotage success by focusing on principles and forgetting the customer.

I certainly see you have a loyal following who have benefitted from free upgrades for 5 years. That’s nigh on a lifetime membership fee. Maybe it is time to reconsider your licence model?


Oh, that’s easy … you destroy the media.

I think you’re referring to an illegal practice. That’s completely different. I could legitimately sell you my CD collection. But, I should not retain any copies. Likewise, if I sold digital copies of my collection that would be illegal too.

But it needs to be provable, for digital copy. “Media” is something physical, we are not talking about anything physical here.

Content type being music or software doesn’t define which is “illegal practice”. It applies to all intellectual property.

CD is a physical media. Music download or HQPlayer download is not a physical media.

It is also illegal for you to sell your CD’s but to retain rips.

You know, I rather focus on improving software features, sound quality and such things. Instead of spending lot of time and effort because of one or two problems. No matter what approach I take, there will certainly be someone unhappy and upset. No matter what I do.

I don’t want to create extra pain for 99.9% of the installations because of 0.1%. That would sound like something governments do… So yeah, my approach may be simplistic.

As a Finn, I have sort of thick skin. We don’t have positive feedback, we only have negative feedback. No feedback is positive feedback… :kissing_heart: In some ways it is universal, those who think they’ve got good customer service don’t go around touting about. Those who think they didn’t, may do…

Yeah, I’m a stubborn software guy, I don’t have shiny marketing departments, or typical customer service department who keeps you running in a meaningless loop until you give up. (just try contacting customer support of any major corporation)


Not anymore … digital media doesn’t need to be tangible.

You’re mixing things up! I was referring to the your comment about “businesses” selling music they had no rights to sell. This discussion isn’t about IPR it’s about selling a licence.

That’s what I said. :slightly_smiling_face:

BTW, I’m really conscious that I’ve inadvertently hijacked @jrd1975’s thread.

You know, I sort of knew that. :smile: But, you do have options and listening to critical feedback is actually very useful even when it’s painful at the time.

If you sell your music to a business, who goes on and re-sells it again makes no difference. There are shop chains here like GameStop who sell used console games (on a physical media).

But in those cases you can be technically pretty certain that there’s nothing usable left behind. If you sell a music download, it’s a different thing.

And good luck trying to resell DRM protected iTunes movie downloads. You have the .mp4 file, but how do you go about selling it to someone? Or reselling the apps from Play store or App store?

Anyway, license keys have buyers name and email address cryptographically embedded inside the license key and HQPlayer will display this information in multiple places.

In order to use your HQPlayer embedded I wouldn’t mind :grinning:
I mean it.

I would really like if you could find a way for users to test out that version for a time for a reasonable amount.
Then I may not complain so much about paying double price compared to the other versions.

There is one thing Miska, you seems sometimes to compare your sw with the price structure of Roon and similar. And even with HW development.

Yes, I understand you have 10 years of hard work behind you, but the value of your SW is the filters. Not the player options In my opinion. You could gain even more with a full integration with Roon, but we have discussed this before. And you didn’t want a closer integration with Roon at that time.

And I must say I’m at least pleased with that we got the embedded version as it is now. A full integration with Roon, filters only, would be what I like to see. And it could be a optional paid add on.
Anyway HQPLAYER embedded with SonicTransporter is almost equal.

So you can’t really compare your SW with Roon I think.
That’s said. I of cause like you to get paid for this part time job. And you for sure spend a lot of hours in support as well here and over in CA.

Keep up the good work :grinning:

(And hurry up with a creative solution for sort time payment for HQPlayer Embedded)

It is only a beginning. Like if you’d look at how HQPlayer Desktop 3.0.0 was in May 2013 and compare it to most recent version.

HQPlayer Embedded is just so much more than just filter set for Roon. At the moment while writing this I’m listening this through HQPlayer Embedded:

Roon is just one of the many possible controls/sources.

There’s also excellent control application:

Plus you can use this too:

And I can play analog sources through a DSD256 or 768/32 PCM ADC, with all the DSP.

I wouldn’t mind have the Tidal version of that playlist :grinning:
(Or just an export I can use)

Also no Android here :grinning:

BTW, I’m really conscious that I’ve inadvertently hijacked @jrd1975’s thread.

No problem at all. You raise valid points.

I had not really expected this to have been such a hot potato!

In view of any potential buyer not getting the upgrade model or any proper transfer of ownership, I would not consider reselling.

Thanks for the heads up chaps.

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Me neither! And there are others too! Unfortunately Tidal is not very good for this kind of content.

This one in fact was playing using my iPhone 7…

As long the email address and the password can be changed, one can still pass it to another one. In the case of Roon, this can be done without issue. There’s no need to get involve in ’ membership transferrable’ or ‘selling of license’, just a agreement between you and the other party.

Something being technically achievable doesn’t mean it is compliant to TOS (Terms Of Service)…

Here in Roon’s conditions it is said quite clear:

1. Grant and scope of license
1.1 Subject to the terms and conditions of this License you are hereby granted a limited non-exclusive, non-transferable license to use the Roon Software and the Documentation on the terms of this License.

@danny can probably comment further on such practices regarding Roon account.

I hope people realize that trying to work around / fight against the sales model, where pricing is based on certain assumptions, will just impose price increase pressure on all users or at worst risk continuation of service they like to use.

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Regarding HQPlayer licenses, the Desktop version is non-transferable. Except for some cases where a device is provided with pre-installed licensed HQPlayer, in such cases it is hardware locked and not registered to a name/email pair and the license goes with the device if you sell it.

Embedded version is non-transferable when purchased from my web shop (DIY license). In most cases if you purchased entire device that comes with HQPlayer Embedded license, it is transferable together with the device, so if you sell the device the license goes with it, just like any other hardware product. If your computer breaks gets fixed and as result fingerprint changes, you can get a new license key for it as long as it doesn’t happen frequently (subject to history evaluation when requested).

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HI, Iv’e moved HQPlayer first from a Mac to a Windows machine and I’m now about to move an embedded version using Sonicorbiter, from the UK, so no licence with it. Can I use any of my existing keys or do I need a new version, if so at what cost And is there a discount for existing users?

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HQPlayer Embedded has a different license from HQPlayer Desktop. Re. discount, I don’t think it exists, but you can ask Jussi at Signalyst.

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