Roon 2.0 and internet connectivity [it's just like 1.8 now]

[danny (Danny Dulai)]

@Jorge_Espinosa

Another option people have is to use a backup piece of software to play music when the internet is down.

You can do that with ARC. Just keep some music downloaded on your phone.

[BCBC (Somewhere in British Columbia)]

@danny

During very ample testing with thousands of early access users for many months, this internet-required issue never came up. Not once.

I wrongly assumed that the internet-requirement was due to ARC which made sense. I wasn’t aware that my local library was affected in any way.

[Suedkiez (Just a fellow user like you)]

@danny

Why not try 2.0 until it impacts you negatively, and then go back to legacy? It may never impact you.

There is a limited time for downgrades being possible, and I might not have an internet outage during that time, but this does not mean that I won’t have a week-long outage next year or the year after that.

[SukieInTheGraveyard (This one time, at Bandcamp... I spent too much money!)]

I did try and it worked well. I migrated back to 1.8 Legacy as I have no need (at present) for 2.0 and, if I experience internet outage, I really appreciate being able to use Roon. I tend to prefer software that is supported so, as I said, I’m sure that I’ll upgrade at some point.

[Ronny_Stratling (Ronny Strätling)]

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[SukieInTheGraveyard (This one time, at Bandcamp... I spent too much money!)]

I might be wrong (I often am) but I think that the 6 week period refers to downgrading without uninstalling 2.0 and reinstalling 1.8 Legacy. If you download the 1.8 Legacy files, including the APK for Android, you should be able to do a fresh install at a later date. I can confirm that 1.8 Legacy works as a fresh install, but obviously I can’t confirm that it will still work as fresh install in 6 weeks time.

[Suedkiez (Just a fellow user like you)]

@danny

You may find it to be longer, but different things will break at different and unpredictable times.

By the way, it would be better if the remote showed an informational message to the user in this case. Not everyone will know about this new development, reads the forum, etc., and will probably be surprised by seemingly random failures

[SisyphusStone (Hemlock Andashes)]

@David_Jameson

If my ISP goes down (which it does regularly, sigh) will that stop Roon from working inside my house using my local NAS server to access audio files?

For me, this a real and BIG dilemma. I do not at all want to get out on an island with legacy-ware (1.8) but in my neck of the tropical swampland Comcast is the only game in town and it is about as reliable as anything else here in Florida except miserable weather in August. So far, I am finding 2.0 to be very solid. I haven’t had a chance to do more than with ARC yet, other than put the app on my Android yet and insure that it function (via wifi), but I am excited to give it a spin and imagine it will be a great leap forward in out-and-about listening. But the possibility of inopportune downtime in my home system is…scary?

@danny was/is there not some way to allow for some rudimentary access to the local library via the lan? Seriously.

[Suedkiez (Just a fellow user like you)]

@SukieInTheGraveyard

If you download the 1.8 Legacy files, including the APK for Android, you should be able to do a fresh install at a later date.

Yeah maybe. Not a great solution for a temporary outage though

[soks (Trent)]

For me, the remote loaded a page that informs the user they’re offline and to check the connection.

[Suedkiez (Just a fellow user like you)]

Aha. Not so unpredictable then

[Joerg]

I’ve done these in the opposite way. Updated to 2.0, have then read about the obligatory internet connectivity and downgraded thatswhy to Legacy.

[Wolfe]

For me, the “internet is down and I want to use Roon locally” is a fringe case. For the several years that I have been a lifetime subscriber, there has been ZERO cases of when I need/want to listen to local music on server when internet is down. But that is just my experience.

Yes, the internet does go down, but when it does, I either will not be wanting to listen to music (generator is way to loud while powering the house) or can listen via LP, CD or use another tool (itunes, Media Player, etc) to play local music. The alternatives are good enough, for me, when that happens.

This is just my perspective.

[Jorge_Espinosa]

That is fine for on the road and no different than what happens with tried and tested PlexAmp. But while at home I can do play with Plex or Audirvana or synology music or serveral other DNLA servers and have my full library available. If I can coast for a while when the gas runs out on a ford truck or a Toyota Corolla I certainly should be able to do so in a Mercedes. Just saying.

[Jim_F (Minimalist)]

Personally, I prefer to keep things up to date with the latest versions, etc. I upgraded my Nucleus to Roon 2.0 and all is good. If I had local files, I would be curious to see for myself what would happen with an internet outage. In the mean time I can evaluate Roon 2.0 and report any other issues that come up.

That said, I have tried Roon 2.0 and reverted back to Roon 1.8 eight times on my Dell laptop. For some reason, Roon 2.0 won’t open on my Dell as a core device, but it works OK as a control device, but so does Roon 1.8. I’ll just leave it on 1.8 until @support figures it out or I renew Audirvana for use as a Dell server away from home.

Sometimes you just do what you need to do.

[miguelito (Miguel Barrio)]

@danny

During very ample testing with thousands of early access users for many months, this internet-required issue never came up. Not once.

Maybe you need to choose your testers better?

[philr]

You could have volunteered yourself

[Dan_Brown]

@danny

reducing resources inside the home is a goal we’d like to achieve. To do this effectively, those resources would need to be moved outside the home, into the cloud

So now… the massive cynic in me reads this and thinks…

"Hmm… once you achieve that goal and move all of the computational resources to the cloud, what you have with Roon is a far more attractive product for, perhaps, a massive streaming service to buy out?

But… as I say… I’m being very cynical…

[miguelito (Miguel Barrio)]

@Wolfe

For me, the “internet is down and I want to use Roon locally” is a fringe case. For the several years that I have been a lifetime subscriber, there has been ZERO cases of when I need/want to listen to local music on server when internet is down. But that is just my experience.

That’s greatly dependant on the quality of your internet service. In most situations, someone using Roon would have already sprung for the best ISP available and in many of those cases the ISPs can have “blackouts” of a few seconds to minutes to hours. This is not uncommon, even in Manhattan (where I live). In such cases, I do want to resort to my local library. If there’s no search I can tollerate that, but no music at all is too much of a handicap.

Also, to someone else’s point, I generally want to be on the latest versions of the apps I use regularly so moving to 1.8 is not really a good solution for me.

[miguelito (Miguel Barrio)]

Was never asked… @danny knows I am intolerable anyway…