Roon catering to Dinosaurs?


#125

With the AK 15 you now have the ability to do offline storage for Tidal - however the only exception is MQA files - the latter can only be streamed via WiFi (make sure you have a good router as it uses 2.4g for streaming) - however the offline storage is brilliant for traveling.


(stephen carlson) #126

Can someone at Roon please tell me how they feel about a “stream what you hear” type function baked into Roon.

Be honest now. If it will hurt your relationship or is not allowed in your deal with Tidal just say so. My guess is Tidal has a lot more to fear from Quboz introduction into the US market.

If Roon wants to survive in a modern world they need to cater to modern music lovers whose music does not get recorded and distributed via the record label formula.

No data needs to show up in Roon. Just take whatever music I’m streaming and cast via RAAT to a Roon endpoint. My guess is this will make %90 of the people on this thread happy. This would require no licencing deal from Soundcloud, Deezer, Youtube etc. Roon could collect additional metadata on what their customers are listening to when they arent listening to Hires audio. My guess is they are, like myself, wishing everything could be HiRes but live in the real world where everything simply isn’t.

Until this feature is included in Roon I cannot justify paying for this service.

Who agrees?


(Music and Shawarma Lover) #127

I’d love that. I have recently found a number of websites that have really excellent streaming playlists and I would love to just listen to them through my same Roon audio config. It’s been discussed a lot before. There is just a lot of more foundational work for Roon to do before they get to that sort of feature.

Disagree with that, but it’s a personal choice. Roon is still a marvelous experience for what it does now.


(Rob OK) #128

I would love that for Soundcloud, mixcloud, 8 tracks, and other services.

I think the poster is saying something a little different – where any sound you are playing on your Roon Core can be played out to your endpoints (so-called “virtual sound card”). I think Roon’s position is this does not work from a user experience point of view.

I support the request, but don’t think it is in the plans.


(stephen carlson) #129

I get Roons standpoint on user experience however as someone who streams %90 of the time and would like what Roon has to offer anyways the visual integration experience is secondary to the digital software/hardware integration miasma that one is required to do to switch between services and end point configurations.


(Anders Vinberg) #130

@James_I @RobOK @stephen_carlson
I agree, have suggested this.
But it is a little tricky, because of Roon’s universalist ambitions.
Because when I stream, I never stream on the computer where the Core is running. It doesn’t even have a user interface. And which streaming apps are available on RoonOS? (Note that Roon doesn’t want third party apps on the box, the wipe the machine every update. Same with my dishwasher.)

So streaming into Roon, and out to endpoints, with DSP, requires first streaming back from the control you are on (Windows, Mac, iOS, Android, Linux) to the core (Windows, Mac, Linux, ROCK, Nucleus, Synology, QNAP) in any combination. Supporting any streaming app available on those controls. Because you wouldn’t want to deprive the Linus folks, would you?


Soundcloud/mixcloud streaming
(Mike O'Neill) #131

Isn’t that what the JRiver WDM driver does?

My understanding is that any sound from the PC is routed through it

Roon sees it as well

That said I never got it to do anything


#132

And probably, going back to the psychology of what people get used to, the friend probably smiled and nodded politely at any “improvements”, secretly logging what they were and vowing to change them back as soon as his guest leaves :wink:


(Anders Vinberg) #133

I don’t know Jriver.
But my point is, what if I am not on the PC?
What if the PC running Roon Core is a closet in the basement, and I’m holding my iPad?
This is not a hypothetical situation, it’s actually my situation right now, except that the Roon “PC” is running RoonOS.


(Dom) #134

I am also running Roon on a headless Nuc, coming from LMS I had to choose. The ability to listen to nearly everything on all my endpoints via LMS and integrated Airplay (Shairtunes) versus Roon (with all its abilities) and only Tidal.

It would be so easy to give users the best of all possible worlds, if Roon Core integrated Airplay or Chromecast into the core. That way you could play everything on all your endpoints by choosing on your mobile device or PC, yes minus the Roon experience - but there are many cases where it is not needed. I used to listen to audible audiobooks via my endpoints, that is not possible now I have joined the Roon universe, also BBC iPlayer and so many other things that I really loved listening to. Don’t get me wrong, I am happy with my choice for Roon, yet it would be great if the Core had the option to stream everything you want to listen to, to all endpoints as an extra. Always better to have options.


(Steve) #135

Pretty harsh that Roon are messing with your dishwasher. :grinning:


(Ged) #136

The opposite unfortunately. I became the audio guru to be consulted each time he wanted to change kit…


(Ged) #137

Maybe the dinosaurs are saving the planet
The environmental impact of music: digital, records, CDs analysed


(Mike O'Neill) #138

Fair comment, I was looking for a similar setup to stream Idagio to my main system, the best I managed was iPad>Cambridge Audio CXN via Airplay, hardly ideal


(Trans Atlantic) #139

Another angle that could be exploited to drive interest in Roon - although it’s not clear to me that Roon management is doing much on this at present - is privacy.

Renting music from streaming services hands over a lot of data about who you are to those services. Indeed, it’s not clear to me that users are actually getting a good deal with streaming (free or paid) given how valuable data about our personalities, interests, etc. is worth these days.

However, when you own your own music and play it off your own server, rather than stream it from the cloud, there is at least the possibility with the right software setup of protecting your privacy.

A few years ago I would’ve been more doubtful about how big the privacy oriented market could be, but in the wake of Cambridge Analytica, etc it seems people are becoming increasingly educated on this topic.


(Rene Bouwmeester) #140

See: https://kb.roonlabs.com/Privacy_Policy


(Trans Atlantic) #141

Yup.

I have commented in another thread on how unnecessary it is for a Roon to store lifetime member credit cards.

No mention in the policy of whether encryption is used, whether our data is stored in a zero knowledge fashion, how passwords are stored, etc.

So much more Roon could do to make privacy a bigger competitive advantage.


(Ged) #142

Ermmmm

  • Your Roon password . Your password is stored in an encrypted form on your computer or Roon Core appliance as well as on our servers. It is used to authenticate you when you use Roon software, so we can be sure that people using the service are real members and not baddies. We can’t decrypt your password, so if you forget it, you’ll have to reset it by using the Roon or Roon Remote app. Passwords are reset by sending an email to your email address for verification.

  • Your credit card information . Roon isn’t free, and for now we only accept payment by credit card. This information (which includes cardholder name, card number, expiration date, and CVV code) is transmitted directly to our payment processor (Stripe) using secure socket layer (SSL) technology. We keep a record of cardholder name, expiration date, and the last four digits of the card number so we can display that information to you on your account page. Your credit card number is not stored anywhere on our systems.


(Michael Fanning) #143

When it comes to mastering and mixing, let’s recall the loudness wars and this web site for discovering how to avoid harshly recorded/mixed material.

Plus, there are people out there who can master and mix in 16/44 without restoring to shaman trickery. Witness this article. I have purchased all three CDs by producer Tony Minassian. They are, without a doubt, the best-sounding CDs that I have ever heard, even when comparing them to other high-rez formats. Just sayin’…

Happy listening!


#144

If you are a lifer, Roon will remove your credit card info.

At least, they indicated they would when I asked them to remove mine. I believe they have.