Great!
Many thanks to you and your team, @connor 
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Do ask again if I can supplement what you already have there…
Hi @Mark_Sealey,
Thanks for the offer! I believe we have everything we need at the moment, but we’ll definitely reach out if anything else comes up.
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@Mark_Sealey, I’ve seen this thread and another you have related to this a few times, and one thing has stuck out to me. In the image of your metadata for this release:
You have the work tag for the last track (Alternative Finale…) set to the title of the track, again Alternative finale… Have you tried changing the Work tag for that track to the same tag as the other Op. 130 tracks (excepting the Grosse Fugue, of course)? Those 6 tracks all belong to the same work, Op. 130, and need to have the same Work tag. The Grosse fugue being a different work, op. 133, should naturally have a different Work tag. I have these same recordings, though my release is the Resonance CD release which is identified in Roon, and that is how mine are tagged. Roon displays these correctly for me. I wonder if Roon resorts to Op. 135 because the Work tag you currently have populated for the finale is not an actual work tag it recognizes.
Apologies if you have already tried this.
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Brian,
Thanks very much for taking the time and trouble to offer your suggestions.
Yes, I have (I think !) tried every variation I can think of - even including altering the actual filename.
Certainly setting different Work IDs to correspond (correctly) to each of the three Opus 130, 135 and the Große Fuge.
It seems (Roon staff will confirm/correct) as though there is a bug or some other phenomenon which - under some circumstances - seems to disallow (my) tagging to take precedence even when ‘Prefer Files’ (wherein what you suggest would surely work) is set.
I saw that this Lindsays first cycle (which I heard Rob Cowan describe Peter Cropper describe as being their preferred version - over their second set) is available in multiple formats. That, for instance, made getting the right cover art a little tricky at first .
For a while that made me think that Roon was going and getting ‘cross-matched;’ metadata (e.g. from ‘across’ MusicBrainz, Discogs and AllMusic), which was causing it to misidentify my Alternative Finale track as Opus 135 - because perhaps that’s how one of the public databases (incorrectly) has it; but not the other two. But then surely (again) ‘Prefer File’ ought to counteract that.
Your help appreciated…
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As a user who curates my own metadata I have come across instances when it appears that everything is correcton my end, yet Roon still does not display what I think it should. The frustration is real!
For your particular situation here I’d be doubly frustrated as I prefer Op. 130 when it’s performed in the published order. To my ears the Grosse Fugue works better as a standalone piece, and Quartet 13 works better with the 'alternate" ending. Unfortunately a lot of my favorite performers of the quartets (Alban Berg Quartet, Vegh Quartet) don’t see it that way, so I get this oddity in several of the recordings I have available in Roon.
Brian,
Indeed. I rely heavily on the superb Yate.
In this case, though (and I may be wrong: Roon appears (at least in this particular case, and - again - with the caveat that Roonlabs folk are still investigating) it’s a little more complicated: how is it that with this one set (the only time I’ve found it in several years using Roon) selecting my tags over the online database’s tags seems not to work? Intriguing. I’m grateful for the time and effort they’re putting in to track this down!
Have you seen this thread, Brian?
I go back and forward. Roon, OTOH, allows us to create two paths through this exceptional music, doesn’t it.
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Funny, though I cannot recall which album(s) it occurs on, I know I have situations where Roon will not accept my tags no matter how I set the options. It occurs so infrequently I’ve learned to just live and let live.
Even though I prefer the published version, I figure I trust the artist to play things the way they see fit. If the ABQ wants to stick the Grosse Fugue in there who am I to question them? Like you note though, there are ways i can play it my preferred way whenever I want, which is great!
Thanks again, Brian!
If you ever remember and can identify them, please, I can’t help thinking that might be relevant in adding to the case at Roonlabs - should it turn out to be what’s going on for me with this LvB set .
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To my ears also. Using WORK/PART tags this preference is easy to edit for local files but not so much with streamed content (Qobuz in my case). Roon does not provide the same editing functionality for local and streamed content so this is an example where that causes problems.
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The inability to edit tracks on streaming classical releases is one of the reasons i will usually obtain a local copy for any newer classical releases I enjoy. It’s annoying because it messes with the count of recordings you have in your library for any given work, which bothers me more than it should.
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