Missed last night, son over from Manchester on a whistle stop visit. Went for a nice meal in a restaurant that specialises in old Dublin dishes. Coddle it was for me!
But the big news is ………
via USB to Chord M-Scaler currently.
Apologies for anyone with OCD - must straighten the m-scaler!
.sjb
Wow!!! You know what we are all going to ask… 
And the food looked great. Although I don’t think I’ve had a coddle, or maybe it was just called a different name.
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6-14-2025
Ryan popped in Remotely and discussed the music of Duvall Day Festival.
Andy mentioned Community Day - Music and Football Event.
Andy also bought a new Painting - details to follow!
Discussed current state of the Forums including:
Troll threads, detecting and pruning AI responses, and general tone.
Going to Thomas Dolby in October! Can’t wait for the show…
Music Suggestions:
@Dan_Sullivan , @andybob wanted to call your attention to the Solo guitar works.
Here’s a shot of the painting ‘Pandanus, Chinaman’s Beach’ on the gallery wall and then at home:
It’s by my old friend and artist Marc de Jong aka Marcsta.. The link includes previous works which are not as naturalistic. I love his line.
Since we’re gear nuts, what I did not get to tell you about is that this was the board we were running for that stage:
https://www.midasconsoles.com/product.html?modelCode=0603-ADX
Way more than we needed but tons of fun.
@ipeverywhere
I appreciate that marketing can get pretty weird. But the intersection between Bentley cars and mixing consoles seems a pretty narrow segment. They had me at 40 inputs.
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Re-cap: 6-21-2025
AI Pros and Cons Personal Usage vs Work Usage
Roon Android Connectivity Issues
Roon Support Response and Response Times
Upcoming new Amp. Peachtree Stereo X
Music Suggestions:
Various Artists - A Love Affair: The Music Of Ivan Lins
The Farm Let The Music (Take Control)
Big Big Train - Bard (2025 reissue)
Katatonia - Nightmares as Extensions of the Walking State
Elbow - Audio Vertigo EP5
Phil Buckle - Custom Made
Rendezvous Point - Universal Chaos
Rendezvous Point - Dream Chaser
Antoine Fafard - Quadra Spherium
New Vinyl Purchases
Black Sabbath- Paranoid / Blondie - Parallel Lines / Van Halen - 1984
The Reggae Specials with Vicki Bonet - Old Tunes, New Skank
Luiz Bonfa - Le Roi De La Bossa Nova
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6-28-2025
Recap:
Review of Holo Red.
Discussion of new camera, monitor equipment
Discussion of Roon’s remote server bug.
Should Roon re-focus on the basics? Roon Radio, Daily Playlists, search by BPM or Song Key.
Group Test:
Everyone is going to play the track “Skin Deep” by The Stranglers from the Aural Sculpture album and compare the next 10 tracks which Valence gives to see if there are differences.
Next will try using the album Ramour by Fontama Consort, a French Jazz group.
Music Suggestions
Orianthi - Some Kind of Feeling
Doug MacLeod - Between Somewhere And Goodbye
Chapelle Roan - “Fall and Rise of the MidWest Beauty Queen”
Bruce Sprinsteen - Tracks Vol 2: The Lost Albums
Peter Gabriel - In The Big Room (Live)
Katatonia - Nightmares as Extensions of the Waking State
Here are my Roon Radio results for The Stranglers “Skin Deep” from Aural Sculpture
I added the 11th and 12th track because artists began repeating. Also, the only real deep dive it took was the XTC track.
Although the next two for me were
The Specials “Message For You, Rudy” and
Gary Numan “Metal”
So really darn close.
Anyone else had a chance to try out the Valence test?
Also, this came out this week and I thought it was interesting. @ipeverywhere @Dan_Sullivan @andybob
This is 100% guesswork on my part…
If I understand what they are saying, and really guessing here, in DSD mode the, nominally, 1v, 0v DSD signal is fed into a 24 stage pipeline, and each stage is attached to a resistor in the R2R network.
For example, if the DSD signal happened to have 24 1’s in a row, the output cap would be charged with a nominal 1V (through a resistor). A mixture of 1s and 0s would charge and uncharge the output cap. An of course the charging and uncharging of the cap would vary as the mixture of 1s and 0s varied.
Decoding a PDM (pulse density modulation) signal, which is what the output of a DSD A to D is, is sort of like doing a simple sliding boxcar average over the 1s and 0s. The output level is proportional to the density of 1s in a PDM signal, so a boxcar average sort of works.
The technique is “sort of” because a simple boxcar would let a lot of noise in. The noise is there because the PDM signal is, sort of, the result of modulating a pulse with an audio signal, which produces, without going into a lot of detail, a result with “extra” frequency components. So what FIIO is doing here is sort of a sliding triangle rather than boxcar, which would improve the results by removing more of those “extra frequencies” than a box car would.
At a high level they are using a low pass, FIR filter on the PDM signal to extract the audio signal. And, at a high level this will work well because a FIR filter does not mess up the phase of its output the way a high order analog filter would.
At the highest level, whenever you do signal interpolation, you need an infinite number of exact interpolation points, over an infinite time inveral to perfectly recover the signal. The noise (error or whatever you want to call it) in a digital signal is the result of meeting none of those conditions. This manifests itself in many ways, for example this is why using a triangle, or Blackman window, or a rectangle gives different, approximate, but maybe good enough, results.
The MSB Cascade has 8 ladders per channel (but they are not regular R2R). In DSD mode they say that they convert these ladders into massively parallel native DSD converters. And (alert… guessing on guessing here) they are making D to A’s and sum the results, which would be different from the implementation FIIO is describing.
Valence Tests
Roon Radio seeded with Stranglers Skin Deep (Album Version) from Aural Scultpures on Qobuz:
A Message to You Rudy - The Specials
Metal - Gary Numan
Brand New Cadillac - The Clash
Psycho Killer (Acoustic) - Talking Heads
Kid - Pretenders
Hanging on the Telephone - Blondie
Open Your Heart (2002 Remix) - The Human League
Sex Dwarf (Original Version) - Soft Cell
All Stood Still (2008 Remaster) - Ultravox
Reel by Reel (2001 Digital Remaster) - XTC
Joan of Arc (Maid of Orleans)(Remastered 2003) - Orchestral Manoeuvres in the Dark
How to Find True Love and Happiness in the Present Day - The Stranglers
Roon Radio seeded with Perdue by Fontamar Consort from Ramour on Qobuz:
Resilience - Rondi Charleston
29th Road - Davey Mooney, Ko Omura
Sao Paolo (Instrumental) - Clelya Abraham
Agapes - Pierre De Bethmann Quartet
Silver Lining - Eugene Choe
Everybody Knows It - Kenny Wheeler Legacy, Royal Academy of Music Jazz Orchestra
Binocular - Fabienne Ambuehl
Zero Hours - Harry Christells etc.
You’ve Lost That Loving Feeling - Augusto Mattoso etc
Out In - Band of Inner Urge
Monsier - Fontamar Consort & Paolo Fresu
From Perdue:
Clearly Valence had mined our collections and found a personalised selection that reflects the differences in Andrew and my taste.
.sjb
Did you like where it took you John?
May not be there tomorrow morning, pretty tired.
I’m afraid it was me just filling a queue, I didn’t actually listen to them!
Purely research rather than play.
.sjb
