Search is broken, it is indefensible

It would appear that a complicated algorithm is required as Roon are aware of problems with the search facility & have employed a specialist (Zenit_Kovacevic) to fix the issues we are experiencing.

There is a thread (see below) which gives details of proposals and progress so far, but, if the search algorithm was “straight forward” I guess we wouldn’t have problems.

Search Changes (ongoing)

There’s loads of love train albums, which one were you expecting?
Personally I’d have expected The O’Jays track to be first.

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Why should it be first? It should appear in the results of course.

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All this hyperbole is just that… hyperbole and venting of frustration. In my experience Roon’s search has greatly improved with release 880. It’s not perfect, but Roon’s staff have several times stated that they are working on making it even better.

As to album search, I find the best way is to look up an artist and then find the album in the Discography tab. Works for me every time, even and especially with classical music.

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Perhaps because I have no other albums called Love Train? I have one album called that, I searched that exact phrase, it should appear.

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11 posts were split to a new topic: Searching for Reich’s Drumming

Yes it should appear.

Are you suggesting that search should prioritise your library before matches found on streaming services?

I can see an argument for this. But you will find plenty of posts on the forum from people trying to find new music with Roon search (from TIDAL/Qobuz), and also complaining the expected result is missing or not the first hit.

I dont see how it can work both ways really. At least not without more controls to limit the search scope etc.

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can you be specific about which “Love Train” you are trying to find?

You say “i have one album called that”…

Is it a Tidal/Qobuz release that’s in your library? Is it a local file?

There is nothing hyperbolic about expecting search to find exact terms. It’s an extremely basic expectation that all music software has been able to do for years.

If iTunes, MusicBee, Foobar, etc etc have it working just fine for over a decade, why is it impossible for $100/pa software to implement it?

I’m not asking for it to understand “disco train album” and find it, but an EXACT term? I mean come on. It’s literally the simplest possible way to use search.

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Searching for ‘Love Train’ I see quite a lot albums being returned. You still have not made clear what exactly you are searching for. You’re nor being precise, and it seems that you don’t wish being helped nor being proved wrong. You’re venting frustration and as far as that, it’s ok with me.

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I searched my library using the words “Love Train” for the album called “Love Train”.

I don’t know how I can be any clearer with Roon, or with you.

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Local file, I don’t use streaming services.

and does the search find other local files?

who’s the artist? (what specific album?)

I just tried it. Got 30+ results under albums. (I use Tidal if it matters.)

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@ultrafud
It has been asked several times of you just what you are looking for.
Love train, yes but who is the artist?

Also could you post a screenshot of your search results when typing in love train and hitting enter for search, not just the auto fill results.

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As an aside you can also filter the Album page, in addition to scrolling alphabetically.

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I don’t really understand why the artist matters. For the record, I couldn’t remember the artist name, which was why I find this so egregious. It is completely reasonable to forget the name of a band, but still remember an album name. Searching for that exact album name should return the album in the results.

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It’s interesting that the album’s title is being split into two lines despite both words being short. I’m guessing that there is some sort of hidden character in the title that is messing with the search engine.

This seems worth reporting to roon support for follow up. You’d be doing yourself and all roon users a good deed by reporting what appears to be an interesting edge case.

Best regards

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@ultrafud, I’ve flagged @zenit for you so he can take a look at this…

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It‘s probably because the album is unidentified.

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