I search for “Beethoven Piano Concerto 5”. Of the first eight albums returned, two have nothing to do with Beethoven, they are instead by Mozart and are in any case concerto number 25 and K595. This is not right. Roon does return the composition as it’s top result, but this is no help because it gives 1251 possibilities from Qobuz, many of which are only movements from the composition. I have reported similar issues before. Are they recognised or not? Are they being addressed or not?
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Hi @Jez,
Thanks for the feedback here! We are always making improvements to our search results and any feedback is always appreciated. I’ll make sure this gets to the team.
I’m not trying to justify Roon’s search here, but isn’t it the case that the all album search will give results from your library first, before streaming service results - which may actually be a better match?
Just trying to explain why you see what you see, not whether that’s good or bad.
The first 11 album results Qobuz found were indeed from my library. But three of these were Mozart Piano Concertos which somewhere had a 5 in the name - either concerto 25, or K595. These were followed by the Qobuz results, all for the right piece, although these were restricted to a few screenfuls, whereas in reality there are a lot more. So fail a) the Mozart works shouldn’t be there and fail b) the number of albums shouldn’t be restricted.
You might now try and defend roon by saying “why don’t you use the composition?” When I do that Roon now correctly finds the 8 in my library, without the incorrect Mozart compositions, but roon also finds 1251 possibilities from Qobuz. Many of the Qobuz 1252 aren’t for the whole composition, they are for single movements. There is no way of separating these results. So that would be fail c).
I have reported such failings since I started using Roon well over a year ago. They are repeatable, significant, and frustrating. No progress.
The reason Mozart’s albums are there is because Allmusic has Beethoven down as a composer (cadenzas) in their credits.
I am unsure what the issue is for you. The first 6 results out of 8 are exactly what you searched for and then the results get more tenuous. You therefore found what you wanted straightaway.
This is exactly how any search works. Use Google to find something and the first few links are usually pretty much exactly what you wanted and then further down the list related but not so precise.
Are you saying that Roon should not return any results other than the exact string you were looking for? However if you did that you may end up limiting the results and not finding what you wanted because you have to use a looser search term because you can’t quite remember.
I think that does happen but ‘5’ anywhere in the album title also seems to trigger this behavior. In my case for example a Glen Gould pairing of the Beethoven Piano Concerto No. 1 and the Bach Keyboard Concerto No. 5.
I absolutely did not get what I wanted! How can you possibly say that? 1251 results from Qobuz for the composition and all bits of the composition are not what I want. I want just the results for whole performance of composition, not for any arbitrary movement or song from it in the case of opera.
Similarly I did not get what I want for the Albums result - there were only a few screenfuls, whereas in reality there are more. Qobuz itself can find them,
I am really annoyed that you tell me that I got what I want, when I most certainly didn’t. Why do you think I posted here?
So, please will you tell me how I can find all the performances of Beethoven’s Piano Concerto 5 in my library and Qobuz?
I was not meaning to offend - it was a genuine question. The first 6 results show Piano Concerto No 5 which is the search string you put in hence my comment.
I guess my question is what results are you expecting? Are you expecting Roon to limit its search purely to the string you put in and nothing else and are you expecting it to only search your library?
As per @BrianW it is easy to identify what searches relate only to your library and they appear first and have the little music note symbol on the file icon instead of the Qobuz and/or Tidal icon
What I am expecting is
The albums returned should be all the albums that match the criteria in my library and Qobuz. Roon returns extra results from my library, and only some of the possibilities from Qobuz. What I would expect here is that all matching albums from Qobuz are shown, rather than just the first 40 or so. Qobuz manages to do it.
The Qobuz results for the composition, which Roon correctly picks as its top result, should only be for that composition. Roon includes single movements from the composition which results in 1251 possibilities. Since there is no way of refining these to performance of the whole composition it is next to useless.
Please can you tell me how to do either of these things.
I understand better now and I think that the issue is that there are many interpretations as to how and what results a search pulls back. The Roon developers have implemented their interpretation and that pulls is more tenuous results than some people want.
Having had a little play just now with search and looking at the results I agree that some form of advanced search would be nice using common search functions such as “” to limit a string and & to connect two specific parts of a string and whether to search and return whole albums rather than tracks etc.
So I do not think the search has failed as such in this - more not performed how you would like and expect. And yes, it is quite limited in its implementation as things stand.
If you went to a shop and asked them to show you pairs of brown shoes and they showed you one left brown shoe of one style, a right brown shoe of another style, a pair of laces, and a pair of black shoes and a boot, what would you think of the shop? What do you think “a pair of brown shoes” means? What do you think “Beethoven’s Piano Concerto 5” means?
And this is why search is somewhat subjective.
You mean it to specifically only return Beethoven’s Piano Concerto 5 whereas Roon interpret that as Beethoven’s Piano Concerto 5 is your primary search hence it puts those results up first but that you may also mean Beethoven’s Piano Concerto 4 as you may not have quite remembered which one you wanted. So it returns those lesser matched results and others further down the list in case.
If you mean you searched very specifically as “Beethoven’s Piano Concerto 5” including the “” then this is where I agree the search falls down a bit as it does not recognise the enclosing “” to mean “explicitly only return searches with this exact text only”.
Nor would it recongise “Beethoven” & “piano” as a search specific way of expressing “get me results with Beethoven and piano”.
Good search that meets many different users expectations of what a certain search string should return is surprisingly difficult from a technical perspective and I for example may want Roon to be more ambiguous with its results and thus be disappointed if it only returned a very select number of results.
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