I am ripping some new CDs into my collection and having a lot of issues revolving around multi-disc sets and Roon not picking up whole CD’s and/or not grouping them them under one title. I have reviewed the Knowledge Base and attempted to follow this scheme to no avail (which btw causes issues with another app, Bubble UPnP):
01-01 Track.flac
01-02 Track.flac
…
02-01 Track.flac
02-02 Track.flac
I have rescanned my library, set preferences to follow the file, and more. Roon persists in showing two albums, not Disc 1, Disc 2.
On another 3 disc set it fails to even find the 3rd disc. This is just the tip of the iceberg. Though I have older sets I ripped in the same manner and Roon has them read in ok. I am a bit perplexed at this point of how to get Roon to reflect my entire library.
The discs on this set are separated into different folders, which I know Roon says not to do, but I learned about that a long time after I ripped most of library and many of them appear to be ok and it sees the first two discs but not the third.
Here’s the second album, which I re-ripped to follow the 01-01, 02-01 format in the track title:
You need to take “Disc 1”, “Disc 2” etc out of the Album field, and make all Album fields of an album identical. Otherwise the Album tags make each disc look to Roon like an individual album. The correct place for that information is in the Disc No x of y tags, which you have already populated.
And your folder names are also wrong, because they are not in a format Roon understands. You can’t have two folders “…/AlbumNameCD1/” and “…/AlbumNameCD2/”. It won’t be understood. You need “…AlbumName/CD1/” and “…AlbumName/CD2/”.
I suggest you read the recommended format for Roon folders. It will make your life easier in the long run.
btw, I have changed tags, removed an album and re-ripped it today, re-scanned the library several times, even had to reboot my NAS for a firmware update, and Roon still shows the album as being imported 1 day ago.
I know about that, I consider it a (severe) limitation of Roon, but let’s go there. This still doesn’t explain the 2nd album, which is all in one folder and follows the 01-01, 02-01, etc. format.
Here’s how Roon display that album, it appears twice, on the left and the right. If I drill into them they each show different tracks yet you see how the tags are set.
I did that in Roon as an experiment and it’s now removed.
Regarding the Disc1, Disc2, CD1, CD2 album and folder structure, I ripped most of my collection this way before the Knowledge Base was available and most of it yet somehow appears correctly. I don’t understand why Roon has limited doing so. It works fine for Bubbler UPnP reading from Minimserver.
And if I put everything into one folder and use only the Disc and Track tags, then it still doesn’t work in Roon and it breaks it in Bubble UPnP, shows two albums.
I did it after ripping the discs into a single with the tags as you see them. Roon showed two albums added yesterday (I had deleted those rips and re-ripped).
wrt my other software, yes -perhaps that one perspective, but I should abide what I said, let’s not go there.
I just want to really understand what I need to do to get Roon to work and then I’ll figure out how to deal with it. Right now I’m trying to follow the suggested Roon method and it’s not working and creating more questions.
When experimenting like this. It is best to remove the ripped files from the Watched folder and then in Roon —> Settings—> Library… use the Library clean up option to remove the latent traces of the removed tracks.
This way, when the files are copied back into the watch folder … Roon will import them from scratch with any baggage from previous troublesome imports.
You’re not following it at all! Your folder names and Album tags are contrary to the guidelines with predictably bad results.
As for the other album and the live edit, the point is that any such edit will “fix” the album and stop roon from doing any further automatic work on it, including grouping it as a set. So it may be you stopped it working properly by doing that edit.
Carl is right, remove the albums, clean database, correct folder names and tags, and reimport. I bet it’ll just work if you actually do that.
Alternatively you could just merge the albums in Roon, taking seconds. Have you found how to do that?
I did remove the one album and cleaned the database prior to setting the tag live. I will remove both albums entirely, re-rip per the guidelines report back results.
There are two recommended ways Roon gives. I’ll refer to them as Disc-Track and CD/Track as given in the Knowledge Base. Any suggestion which you feel is best?
As for the merge, I tried that on another issue with artists names that is yet unresolved. I have not tried it here but if it fixes it in Roon and let’s me play ok with my other app then maybe it’s the way to go. Thanks for your help.
I always go with AlbumName/CD1 because it’s most transparent to me.
You don’t need to re-rip your files, that’s a complete waste of time. An interesting test is to make a copy of your files, remove ALL tags from them, and import them. When it’s a multi-disc set in folders AlbumName/CDx Roon often does a good job on its own. You’ll need to clean database before hand, again.
Well I got your message after I re-ripped everything, refreshed Roon database (a la 1.5 upgrade). I tried both methods and of course they work. In Roon. Neither works for my Bubble UPnP/Minimserver for my phone. I will look for a solution to that elsewhere.
But please explain for me if you can about " remove ALL tags from them, and import them". I’m not sure how to do that other than re-ripping the disc. I can change individual tags but to wholesale remove them seems lot of work to get them back. What am I missing?
Just as an experiment try exporting from Roon into a new folder (i.e. ending up with a second (or third) set of files) and using that for “Bubble UPnP/Minimserver”. It could be that Roon’s output format (which is a bit different) might work for that.
In my tag editor (Metadatics) I can highlight all tags and Delete All. This clears the files of ALL metadata. In Mp3tag there is likely a way of doing that too.
Sure, it would be a dumb thing to do if that’s your only copy of the files/metadata, which is why here:
…I said first “make a copy of your files”. The action of removing (deleting) all tags from them is a test to be done on a second set of files. Otherwise as you say, you’ll lose all your tags!..
