Silent "spacer" tracks being removed by Roon

I’m running a brand new Grimm Audio MU2 as my Roon Core.
I have added a local music library from my 2021 Macbook Pro running MacOS Monterey 12.6.

Number of Tracks in Library

7,691 tracks

Description of Issue

I’ve successfully added my Mac’s Itunes Music folder.
I’ve exported a Library.xml folder from Apple Music and put it in the iTunes Music folder.

I’m able to play all local songs and my local playlists just fine – except for some silent tracks I created that I use to space out tracks within a playlist. These are mp3s of just silence that are 10 seconds, 15 seconds, 30 seconds, and 1 minute in duration.

These silent tracks are not showing up anywhere that I can find in Roon – when I search My Library, Artists → “Silence” nothing comes up.

I use these silent tracks as a key aspect of creating playlists with lots of silence in between tracks.
In one example, the playlist goes from 47 tracks in Apple Music down to 19 tracks in Roon – the difference being all the removed silent tracks.

I’m hoping you can provide some guidance on this because while it may sound like a random thing, having these varied gaps of silence in between tracks on a playlist is incredibly important to me. I didn’t see any way to add silence of varying durations between tracks as a native Roon feature, and these silent tracks is how I’ve always created this type of listening experience in my iTunes/Apple Music playlists going back years.

Other than this, Roon is working perfectly for me - with both local music and music streamed over Qobuz. So I’m perplexed why these silent mp3s would be obviously disregarded by Roon.

Thanks for any help you can provide!

As it will have no metadata it’s likely unidentified. Go to focus and select identified from one on the options click on the plus symbol next to it to make it a minus. Roon will show all tracks albums that it has failed to identified in its metadata services.

@Simon_Arnold3 has likely got the answer - you could use a metadata editor to create an “Album” of silent tracks - each track having a title of the number of seconds of silence…

Thanks so much for these suggestions.

I did the – Identified search and did not find the Silence tracks. But that’s a very useful feature to know about - thank you.

@Geoff_Coupe – is there a metadata editor you’ve used that works best for this kind of thing?

@Matt_Coffman
I use mp3tag.
It is a great tool.

I use dBpoweramp, but that’s more than just a metadata editor. Mp3tag is also used by many on the forum.

Thanks again for the help.

And – what metadata is needed to have tracks be recognized by Roon? I already had track titles, artist, album, so I assume there must be more to the metadata question than those three values.

Right, so we need some clarification here. Are these albums that you have created from existing releases and to which you have added spacer tracks?

Can you show a screenshot example of an album?

No, this is a separate “Album” called Silence with four tracks of 1min, 30sec, 15sec, and 10sec of silence.

I then use these tracks inside playlists to space songs out.

The album inside Apple Music:

So it sounds as though you’ve done what I suggested, but it may well be that the “metadata” is only within Apple Music’s database, and not in the files themselves. That’s why a 3rd party metadata editor is a useful tool to have.

Excellent, thanks for confirming that.

I’ve purchased/downloaded/installed Mp3tag – and now it’s just a question of how to use that tool to achieve adding the metadata to the files themselves.

Online documentation for Mp3tag for Mac is here…

iTunes is really bad for metadata not even downloads of songs you have bought from it have metadata in them.

Is there an article somewhere in this support forum or in the Roon database that goes over this metadata question in detail?

I’ve been searching but not finding anything that looks like a basic overview of what a track needs to have for Roon to recognize it. And my initial attempt to update the metadata in Mp3tag hasn’t resulted in these silent tracks showing up in my local library in Roon.

Does this help?

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