# Smart Playlists Feedback \[Now released\] **URL:** \ **Category:** Early Access\ **Created:** [September 19, 2024, 10:58am UTC](https://community.roonlabs.com/t/smart-playlists-feedback-now-released/282025 "2024-09-19T10:58:50Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![michael](https://community.roonlabs.com/letter_avatar/michael/32/5_5575768a8748004e209b776fc1b2916d.png) [@michael](https://community.roonlabs.com/u/michael)\ **Post date:** [September 19, 2024, 10:58am UTC](https://community.roonlabs.com/t/smart-playlists-feedback-now-released/282025/1 "2024-09-19T10:58:50Z")
Hey Early Access, Thanks very much for your feedback on Smart Playlists so far. We’ve already released a handful of improvements on SPLs thanks to your feedback. Notably a random sort order which makes these feel a lot more exciting. Also, SPLs should now respect banned albums and tracks. If you haven’t yet tried Smart Playlists, give them a shot. See how they change the way you listen and organize your collection. We need your help to shape this feature, and we’d love to hear your ideas, experiences, and thoughts. **How to Create Smart Playlists** As a refresher, there are two ways to create smart playlists. One, start with a Tracks or Albums focus and save those filters as a dynamic, automatically updating Smart Playlist. Two, start from the + button on the sidebar and select “new smart playlist”. SPLs are based off of either tracks or albums. **Need inspiration?** Here are a few Smart Playlist ideas to get you started. **Rediscovery:** - Recently added, never listened. - Indie rock from the 1990s. - Produced by Timbaland. - Albums released on Deutsche Grammaphon. **Organization:** - Local music with no genre. - Sort me plz! Everything by “unknown artist”. - Deliciousness: 96k and above. **Designed for ARC:** - Classical download: All local classical music. - Airplane Mode: Local music with label “Paris Trip”. - Car Shuffle: every album tagged “road trip tunes.” **Some guidance for testing:** • Do you find smart playlist setup intuitive? • How do Smart Playlists change your music discovery or management process? • What SPLs have you made? How have you made them? (share screenshots plz!) • Are there specific features or improvements you’d like to see? • How are you using SPLs in ARC? How does ARC feel with SPLs? Happy testing! ---
**Author:** ![DDPS](https://community.roonlabs.com/user_avatar/community.roonlabs.com/ddps/32/162722_2.png) [@DDPS](https://community.roonlabs.com/u/DDPS)\ **Post date:** [September 19, 2024, 11:22am UTC](https://community.roonlabs.com/t/smart-playlists-feedback-now-released/282025/2 "2024-09-19T11:22:32Z")
It would be great if you could finally implement: > [@Please add Year to track listings (for both albums and playlists)](https://community.roonlabs.com/t/please-add-year-to-track-listings-for-both-albums-and-playlists/187829): > > Please make the Year tag visible for each individual track (or at least allow the option to include it). …this would truly match the Smart Playlist capabilities of other platforms. ---
**Author:** ![ExitMusic](https://community.roonlabs.com/user_avatar/community.roonlabs.com/exitmusic/32/52393_2.png) [@ExitMusic](https://community.roonlabs.com/u/ExitMusic)\ **Post date:** [September 19, 2024, 3:44pm UTC](https://community.roonlabs.com/t/smart-playlists-feedback-now-released/282025/3 "2024-09-19T15:44:34Z")
Hello is it possible to have a playlist for recently added ordered by date? It would be wonderful because i cannot on my smartphone. ---
**Author:** ![crowlem](https://community.roonlabs.com/user_avatar/community.roonlabs.com/crowlem/32/217059_2.png) [@crowlem](https://community.roonlabs.com/u/crowlem)\ **Post date:** [September 20, 2024, 8:08pm UTC](https://community.roonlabs.com/t/smart-playlists-feedback-now-released/282025/4 "2024-09-20T20:08:48Z")
> [@michael](#): > > Local music with no genre. Would be good to be able to edit genre on mobile (Arc & Roon Mobile) so we can fix these. The setup of the smart playlists is great but the feature itself isnt as useful as I can’t create them on mobile. Genre filters on the smart playlists don’t allow you to select any (you can select but it doesnt do anything) which is THE feature I really want from them, I want to be able to create something like the daily mixes from spotify (blend of genres that go together). Custom artwork would be great too. It would be cool if the smart playlist for albums looked like Qobuz: ![image](https://roon-community-uploads.s3.amazonaws.com/original/4X/e/4/8/e48c92439925136998dd4f0ef8d6db801150460c.jpeg) ---
**Author:** ![Oliver\_Frohlich](https://community.roonlabs.com/letter_avatar/oliver_frohlich/32/5_5575768a8748004e209b776fc1b2916d.png) [@Oliver\_Frohlich](https://community.roonlabs.com/u/Oliver_Frohlich)\ **Post date:** [September 23, 2024, 7:51am UTC](https://community.roonlabs.com/t/smart-playlists-feedback-now-released/282025/5 "2024-09-23T07:51:33Z")
Smart Playlists depend on the available focus criteria. For me, one of the strongest criteria would be the freely selectable play count. My daily listening routine is such that I put all new additions to the library into rotation until they have been played ten times. After that, they go into the normal library and I only listen to them when I feel like it. So far, I’ve done this by marking all new additions to the rotation as favorites until they’ve been played ten times. Then I remove them from the favorites. This has worked very well so far, but I have to manually mark the relevant tracks as favorites when they are added to the library or remove them from the favorites when they have been played often enough. This would be easier with Smart Playlists if I could set the focus to “played less than ten times”. For me at least, it would be a great benefit to be able to set a freely selectable play count in the focus. That said, I think it’s fantastic that smart playlists are now possible in Roon, and I hope that they will become an even more powerful tool through more differentiated focus criteria. ---
**Author:** ![EinTo.Shuffle](https://community.roonlabs.com/user_avatar/community.roonlabs.com/einto.shuffle/32/226874_2.png) [@EinTo.Shuffle](https://community.roonlabs.com/u/EinTo.Shuffle)\ **Post date:** [September 23, 2024, 9:03am UTC](https://community.roonlabs.com/t/smart-playlists-feedback-now-released/282025/6 "2024-09-23T09:03:58Z")
👍 Agree Playcount is missing in Focus (SPL). It would sit nicely besides the existing “Played in the Last”. Roon should/could also use the Playcount in their internal code for the Daily Mixes and Radio to reduce the repetetiveness that has been reported. As far as i can see Roon also logs number of plays for streaming tracks not in library . . ---
**Author:** ![Alexander\_Ritter](https://community.roonlabs.com/letter_avatar/alexander_ritter/32/5_5575768a8748004e209b776fc1b2916d.png) [@Alexander\_Ritter](https://community.roonlabs.com/u/Alexander_Ritter)\ **Post date:** [October 3, 2024, 7:09am UTC](https://community.roonlabs.com/t/smart-playlists-feedback-now-released/282025/7 "2024-10-03T07:09:26Z")
any idea when SmartPlaylissts are comming to Production? ---
**Author:** ![Peter\_Leinslie](https://community.roonlabs.com/user_avatar/community.roonlabs.com/peter_leinslie/32/26162_2.png) [@Peter\_Leinslie](https://community.roonlabs.com/u/Peter_Leinslie)\ **Post date:** [October 3, 2024, 10:27pm UTC](https://community.roonlabs.com/t/smart-playlists-feedback-now-released/282025/8 "2024-10-03T22:27:35Z")
Much better now after the latest update. It had a tendency to play from the same album/artist in a row before. Not now. ---
**Author:** ![Suedkiez](https://community.roonlabs.com/user_avatar/community.roonlabs.com/suedkiez/32/107321_2.png) [@Suedkiez](https://community.roonlabs.com/u/Suedkiez)\ **Post date:** [October 3, 2024, 10:55pm UTC](https://community.roonlabs.com/t/smart-playlists-feedback-now-released/282025/9 "2024-10-03T22:55:49Z")
> [@Alexander\_Ritter](#): > > any idea when SmartPlaylissts are comming to Production? Usually it’s a few weeks between a new feature appearing in Early Access and the production release, but predicting how long it takes to fix any bugs that are not yet known before testing is difficult. The EA update from today is labeled a release candidate, and normally this means that it will be generally released soon if no new critical issues are found. > [@EarlyAccess: Roon 2.0 Build 1465 and ARC Build 303 is Live!](https://community.roonlabs.com/t/earlyaccess-roon-2-0-build-1465-and-arc-build-303-is-live/282955): > > Hey Everyone, We’re rolling out another set of builds ahead of the upcoming production release, including a last-minute change in this release candidate. Your help in testing and ensuring everything runs smoothly is greatly appreciated. Thank you for your continued support and feedback! The Team at Roon Labs Build Numbers Application Version Roon / RoonServer (build 1465) earlyaccess Roon ARC (build 303) earlyaccess Changes Fixed incorrect playback timestamps for user running… ---
**Author:** ![Nicholas\_Kalister](https://community.roonlabs.com/letter_avatar/nicholas_kalister/32/5_5575768a8748004e209b776fc1b2916d.png) [@Nicholas\_Kalister](https://community.roonlabs.com/u/Nicholas_Kalister)\ **Post date:** [October 15, 2024, 3:13pm UTC](https://community.roonlabs.com/t/smart-playlists-feedback-now-released/282025/10 "2024-10-15T15:13:05Z")
smart playlists are supposed to be in the version released today but I’m not seeing any changes in roon on any of my devices after installing the update and restarting. weird. ---
**Author:** ![Suedkiez](https://community.roonlabs.com/user_avatar/community.roonlabs.com/suedkiez/32/107321_2.png) [@Suedkiez](https://community.roonlabs.com/u/Suedkiez)\ **Post date:** [October 15, 2024, 4:54pm UTC](https://community.roonlabs.com/t/smart-playlists-feedback-now-released/282025/11 "2024-10-15T16:54:06Z")
Restart your Roon server once more. This was reported by several people in #Roon Software Discussion > [@Roon 2.0.42 Issues](https://community.roonlabs.com/t/roon-2-0-42-issues/283653): > > Very excited to hear about Smart Playlists; loaded the new build, and followed the instructions but the option doesn’t show when I press the + sign in the sidebar or the playlist page. Is it me or are others experiencing the same? I’ve uploaded an image that shows that it’s the latest build any help would be appreciated; I too are excited to us the new feature. Thanks, Ken ---
**Author:** ![SylvainP](https://community.roonlabs.com/user_avatar/community.roonlabs.com/sylvainp/32/108213_2.png) [@SylvainP](https://community.roonlabs.com/u/SylvainP)\ **Post date:** [October 15, 2024, 8:03pm UTC](https://community.roonlabs.com/t/smart-playlists-feedback-now-released/282025/12 "2024-10-15T20:03:10Z")
Can someone explaine me what is the difference between smart playlist and bookmark ? I have been using bookmark for a few years to create some smart list based on focus. So to me smart playlist seems to do the same as bookmark, If so Is Roon going to remove bookmark in futur update ? Thanks ---
**Author:** ![ged\_hickman1](https://community.roonlabs.com/user_avatar/community.roonlabs.com/ged_hickman1/32/259791_2.png) [@ged\_hickman1](https://community.roonlabs.com/u/ged_hickman1)\ **Post date:** [October 15, 2024, 8:13pm UTC](https://community.roonlabs.com/t/smart-playlists-feedback-now-released/282025/13 "2024-10-15T20:13:05Z")
> [@What is the essential difference between a Bookmark and a Smart Playlist?](https://community.roonlabs.com/t/what-is-the-essential-difference-between-a-bookmark-and-a-smart-playlist/281582): > > I can’t discern any, other than the promise that the SPLs will show up in ARC? ---
**Author:** ![Suedkiez](https://community.roonlabs.com/user_avatar/community.roonlabs.com/suedkiez/32/107321_2.png) [@Suedkiez](https://community.roonlabs.com/u/Suedkiez)\ **Post date:** [October 15, 2024, 8:26pm UTC](https://community.roonlabs.com/t/smart-playlists-feedback-now-released/282025/14 "2024-10-15T20:26:19Z")
As this isn’t an Early Access topic anymore now that it was released: > [@Smart Playlists vs. Bookmarks](https://community.roonlabs.com/t/smart-playlists-vs-bookmarks/283660): > > Except for better management functionalities (sorting, folders, …) of Playlists, I fail to see the difference between a Bookmark and a Smart Playlist. Anybody care to explain? ---
**Author:** ![thibaud\_Van\_Vreckem](https://community.roonlabs.com/user_avatar/community.roonlabs.com/thibaud_van_vreckem/32/39437_2.png) [@thibaud\_Van\_Vreckem](https://community.roonlabs.com/u/thibaud_Van_Vreckem)\ **Post date:** [October 16, 2024, 1:18pm UTC](https://community.roonlabs.com/t/smart-playlists-feedback-now-released/282025/15 "2024-10-16T13:18:31Z")
I’m having the same issue ---
**Author:** ![Suedkiez](https://community.roonlabs.com/user_avatar/community.roonlabs.com/suedkiez/32/107321_2.png) [@Suedkiez](https://community.roonlabs.com/u/Suedkiez)\ **Post date:** [October 16, 2024, 1:19pm UTC](https://community.roonlabs.com/t/smart-playlists-feedback-now-released/282025/16 "2024-10-16T13:19:09Z")
Then do what the quoted post said? ---
**Author:** ![thibaud\_Van\_Vreckem](https://community.roonlabs.com/user_avatar/community.roonlabs.com/thibaud_van_vreckem/32/39437_2.png) [@thibaud\_Van\_Vreckem](https://community.roonlabs.com/u/thibaud_Van_Vreckem)\ **Post date:** [October 16, 2024, 1:20pm UTC](https://community.roonlabs.com/t/smart-playlists-feedback-now-released/282025/17 "2024-10-16T13:20:14Z")
my bad, working now ---
**Author:** ![Derek\_Coleman](https://community.roonlabs.com/user_avatar/community.roonlabs.com/derek_coleman/32/196635_2.png) [@Derek\_Coleman](https://community.roonlabs.com/u/Derek_Coleman)\ **Post date:** [October 16, 2024, 2:09pm UTC](https://community.roonlabs.com/t/smart-playlists-feedback-now-released/282025/18 "2024-10-16T14:09:45Z")
All the same problems as Focus, extremely limited initial selection criteria. If what you want is based on the few it shows initially great, if not it’s useless. Even if you do this for simplicity up front please just add an ‘Advanced’ button that leads to a rule builder like any other actual smartlist function on competing players. ---
**Author:** ![fireapple](https://community.roonlabs.com/user_avatar/community.roonlabs.com/fireapple/32/207163_2.png) [@fireapple](https://community.roonlabs.com/u/fireapple)\ **Post date:** [October 16, 2024, 3:01pm UTC](https://community.roonlabs.com/t/smart-playlists-feedback-now-released/282025/19 "2024-10-16T15:01:10Z")
Roon… thanks so much for the new feature. I’ve been wanting this for a long time. Is there any chance of adding record labels in the tracks focus so we can have label based playlists? ---
**Author:** ![Suedkiez](https://community.roonlabs.com/user_avatar/community.roonlabs.com/suedkiez/32/107321_2.png) [@Suedkiez](https://community.roonlabs.com/u/Suedkiez)\ **Post date:** [October 16, 2024, 3:39pm UTC](https://community.roonlabs.com/t/smart-playlists-feedback-now-released/282025/20 "2024-10-16T15:39:53Z")
There is an ongoing post-release feedback thread here: > [@What is the essential difference between a Bookmark and a Smart Playlist?](https://community.roonlabs.com/t/what-is-the-essential-difference-between-a-bookmark-and-a-smart-playlist/281582/16): > > Thanks for all the feedback here everyone. It’s been critical for getting us to production release day, so kudos to you. In terms of future improvements, the three themes I’m getting from this thread are: Limits would be good. Boolean operators (AND’ing and OR’ing btw focuses) Make them smarter? For this last point, I don’t fully get it. How would you envision them being smarter? What would that look like? But as it has been released, there’s also this: > [@Smart Playlists vs. Bookmarks](https://community.roonlabs.com/t/smart-playlists-vs-bookmarks/283660): > > Except for better management functionalities (sorting, folders, …) of Playlists, I fail to see the difference between a Bookmark and a Smart Playlist. Anybody care to explain? [Next page](https://community.roonlabs.com/t/smart-playlists-feedback-now-released/282025.md?page=2)