I don’t think the “vice versa” is correct. If you add a playlist in TIDAL it DOES show up in Roon, but it is not editable back into Tidal. (Feature request!). You can create a copy in Roon, but then you have two different playlists.
I think he is asking for a new Playlist added in Roon to show up in Tidal which does not happen. (Also a great feature request).
I use my Roon app to create my playlists through tidal. It’s true that the pre-generated lists add and stay on my devices. But if it is something I created by adding tidal music I’ll either see on my phone (if I created using the phone) or my mac (if I created it there). And, furthermore, If I try, for instance, to turn on my tidal app to hear my playlists on my car not all my lists Will be there.
If I do the same thing using my iTunes app all my lists get automatically synced. So I get access to all my lists be it home using Roon, be it on my car using iTunes. And iPhone and mac have always the same playlists.
Hey @Joana_Jereissati – right now, any playlists created in Roon will be stored on your Core, and will be available on any devices connected to it, including any audio devices around the house you are playing to, or any devices running Roon as a remote, which are controlling your Core.
Your Core will also import any playlists it finds, whether they are on your hard drive (as M3U files), in your iTunes library (assuming it is being watched by your Core), or in your TIDAL account (whether you created them, or favorited them).
What’s not currently possible is accessing your Roon Core (and the playlists stored there) outside the house, when you’re not on your local network. “On The Go” functionality is absolutely on our roadmap and we look forward to delivering the Roon experience to your various devices when you’re in the car, travelling, at work, etc. This is coming, but I don’t have a firm time frame to share right now.
The big problem is that in Roon, tracks can come from multiple sources – local files, your NAS, TIDAL, etc.
The other services you mentioned are homogeneous – everything you create in the TIDAL section of the Sonos app is from TIDAL, so that playlist is saved back to the TIDAL service, as opposed to being stored on the Sonos device.
We could probably build something that saves portions of your playlists back to TIDAL, or warns you before you sync a playlist to TIDAL that will end up missing tracks, and so but these are all pretty ugly compromises – you’re still going to end up missing tracks, and using TIDAL’s app, and their metadata, etc.
These compromises would be a pretty big chunk of work for what’s ultimately just a stopgap. It’s much more likely we’ll focus our efforts on delivering a first class On-The-Go solution down the line, as opposed to giving people a way to get their playlists partially working in a different app.
I hear what you are saying and I don’t necessarily think Sonos is the model, but what you said is not correct. You can have a “Sonos Playlist” that can have music from all mixed sources and that playlist stays only in Sonos and no one expects it to go anywhere. As you said you can also be in a Source specific area and edit or add to a Spotify or Tidal Playlist.
In Roon today, you actually have the same thing. You have Roon Playlists and you have Tidal Playlists. You can see in the attached image. You are already showing people that there are different types of playlists.
I do get that Roon has a stronger focus on people that have existing physical libraries. And we would all like to use Roon all the time for all devices, but the streaming services are playing a bigger and bigger role. For some of your users being able to edit and save a Tidal Only playlist is an important use case otherwise they have to edit playlists in two or more places.
So maybe the request then is for Tidal Only playlists (that already exist in Roon) can be editable. Maybe that surfaces only within the TIDAL area of Roon so it is in Context. I agree that any solution that only partially saves a playlist is not good.
Many people only use TIDAL. So this logic leads you to delivering a 0% solution for 100% of users.
Why not sync the TIDAL tracks, and give a message about not being able to sync local tracks? If we’re trying to sync stuff to TIDAL (e.g. playlists) then of course we understand we can only sync the tracks that are actually from TIDAL.
This is a significant issue for the subset of users that primarily use TIDAL vs. local files and use Playlists. Can you (or others at Roon) say more clearly whether this is being considered or not?
My limited articulation of the request is:
User can edit a TIDAL playlist (which you already indicate in the UI that it is a specific type of playlist) that the additions of TIDAL songs and the deletion of TIDAL songs be synced back to TIDAL in the same way they are synced currently from TIDAL to Roon.
If you are on a TIDAL song, you can add it to a TIDAL playlist (currently the TIDAL playlists don’t come up in the selection list)
If the answer is this is never going to happen, please just let us know.
I view this seperate and distinct from a Roon-on-the-go solution. There are a variety of reasons to want TIDAL playlists to be up to date that have nothing to do with mobility.
I discovered The Glitch Mob today ( via a podcast ) and started making a playlist in Roon (good). Then I remembered that my Roon playlists won’t sync to Tidal (bad!) So I switched to the Tidal app and re-created the playlist. Not the biggest problem in the world but diminishes the experience.
iTunes is a toolkit to sync files from your one iOS device to another. If you’d like to do this, the best way is to find another tool for Tidal. Yes, Roon is a choice.
Besides, AudFree Tidal Music Converter is also an option you can choose to make it possible, which one to choose depends on you.
mConnect can handle this operation I dont see why Roon cannot. Roon Labs is stuck in a single minded user set. I dont own any music. I dont care to ever own any music. Roon needs to understand that we simply do not care that we cannot add music to a Tidal playlist that is stored locally. If we want a mixed source playlist we know we have to create a new one in Roon. Fine move on Roon Labs. I listen to Tidal and Quboz in no less than three places. Home system, phone and at work. My primary listening is done at home where I discover most of my new music. When I do why is it difficult for Roon to understand that we want to add it to our Tidal/Qobuz playlists without changing apps. The mConnect app seems to handle this just fine.