# The future of streaming: is trouble ahead? **URL:** \ **Category:** Music\ **Created:** [December 19, 2023, 2:19pm UTC](https://community.roonlabs.com/t/the-future-of-streaming-is-trouble-ahead/259693 "2023-12-19T14:19:56Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![SandsOfArrakis](https://community.roonlabs.com/user_avatar/community.roonlabs.com/sandsofarrakis/32/138690_2.png) [@SandsOfArrakis](https://community.roonlabs.com/u/SandsOfArrakis)\ **Post date:** [December 24, 2023, 9:48pm UTC](https://community.roonlabs.com/t/the-future-of-streaming-is-trouble-ahead/259693/46 "2023-12-24T21:48:36Z")
And yet. Using the Deezer app on my TV using its remote doesn’t work well at all. It’s very cumbersome. When it comes to sound quality. I’ve connected my Toshiba Android smart TV through optical to my Cambridge CXA81. So the Cambridge’s DAC runs the whole show. So sound wise it’s ok. ---
**Author:** ![Ton\_R](https://community.roonlabs.com/letter_avatar/ton_r/32/5_5575768a8748004e209b776fc1b2916d.png) [@Ton\_R](https://community.roonlabs.com/u/Ton_R)\ **Post date:** [December 24, 2023, 10:44pm UTC](https://community.roonlabs.com/t/the-future-of-streaming-is-trouble-ahead/259693/47 "2023-12-24T22:44:49Z")
I don’t agree at all. Let the market and competition do their work. Why would we as customers cry that we pay not enough? And as prices go up it would be fair to pay by use. Now I pay the same amount for a few hours streaming as someone else pays for hundreds of hours. But again I wait and see what company will has the best offer. ---
**Author:** ![Tian\_Liu](https://community.roonlabs.com/user_avatar/community.roonlabs.com/tian_liu/32/324324_2.png) [@Tian\_Liu](https://community.roonlabs.com/u/Tian_Liu)\ **Post date:** [December 25, 2023, 4:21pm UTC](https://community.roonlabs.com/t/the-future-of-streaming-is-trouble-ahead/259693/48 "2023-12-25T16:21:42Z")
> [@Ton\_R](#): > > And as prices go up it would be fair to pay by use. Wholeheartedly support this subscription model. If it becomes reality, I would subscribe to multiple services at the same time. (I have Qobuz and Apple Music subs now.) ---
**Author:** ![JefferyM](https://community.roonlabs.com/letter_avatar/jefferym/32/5_5575768a8748004e209b776fc1b2916d.png) [@JefferyM](https://community.roonlabs.com/u/JefferyM)\ **Post date:** [December 25, 2023, 4:53pm UTC](https://community.roonlabs.com/t/the-future-of-streaming-is-trouble-ahead/259693/49 "2023-12-25T16:53:41Z")
What’s your basis for calling him an idiot? And why? Is the use of quotes supposed to indicate irony? People can have different opinions and not be idiots. And what’s the financial angle here, enlighten me? ---
**Author:** ![steveoat87](https://community.roonlabs.com/letter_avatar/steveoat87/32/5_5575768a8748004e209b776fc1b2916d.png) [@steveoat87](https://community.roonlabs.com/u/steveoat87)\ **Post date:** [December 25, 2023, 6:29pm UTC](https://community.roonlabs.com/t/the-future-of-streaming-is-trouble-ahead/259693/50 "2023-12-25T18:29:58Z")
Streaming is here to stay. However, the players will change, there will be more consolidation and/or the individual companies may decide to offer their own streaming platforms. And the prices will increase. ---
**Author:** ![Brian\_Fischer](https://community.roonlabs.com/user_avatar/community.roonlabs.com/brian_fischer/32/118027_2.png) [@Brian\_Fischer](https://community.roonlabs.com/u/Brian_Fischer)\ **Post date:** [December 25, 2023, 6:57pm UTC](https://community.roonlabs.com/t/the-future-of-streaming-is-trouble-ahead/259693/51 "2023-12-25T18:57:38Z")
If we don’t support small, independent artists, then eventually streaming won’t matter for new music because none of them can earn a living. I have Qobuz but resist other streaming services because I feel like the money goes to the service and not the artists who aren’t named Swift. My approach is to directly support the artists I discover via Bandcamp or their preferred site. I spend about $150 per month and feel a little better about supporting the living artists I truly appreciate. If streaming supported small artists, I would stick with streaming only for most of my listening. But i don’t see that happening. With all things streaming, including TV and movies, why can’t we just pay ala carte for what we want when we want it and be done with subscriptions? That would be a Christmas miracle! ---
**Author:** ![Suedkiez](https://community.roonlabs.com/user_avatar/community.roonlabs.com/suedkiez/32/107321_2.png) [@Suedkiez](https://community.roonlabs.com/u/Suedkiez)\ **Post date:** [December 25, 2023, 7:42pm UTC](https://community.roonlabs.com/t/the-future-of-streaming-is-trouble-ahead/259693/52 "2023-12-25T19:42:32Z")
> [@Brian\_Fischer](#): > > With all things streaming, including TV and movies, why can’t we just pay ala carte for what we want when we want it and be done with subscriptions? Something like this exists with Qobuz purchases and music downloads generally. On Amazon or Apple, for instance, you can also buy single titles. In either case this is in addition to the subscription business and I don’t see how it could be any different. If streaming services don’t break even with subscriptions, how would their economics work out if they had to maintain a streaming infrastructure for users who pay a few dollars once in a few months to purchase one title? ---
**Author:** ![Mark\_Hyland](https://community.roonlabs.com/letter_avatar/mark_hyland/32/5_5575768a8748004e209b776fc1b2916d.png) [@Mark\_Hyland](https://community.roonlabs.com/u/Mark_Hyland)\ **Post date:** [December 25, 2023, 8:26pm UTC](https://community.roonlabs.com/t/the-future-of-streaming-is-trouble-ahead/259693/53 "2023-12-25T20:26:16Z")
Couldn’t care less if the streaming companies go under - music existed before them and will after. For me streaming is merely currently, the most convenient way of discovering new music, which I then buy. ---
**Author:** ![anon96160794](https://community.roonlabs.com/letter_avatar/anon96160794/32/5_5575768a8748004e209b776fc1b2916d.png) [@anon96160794](https://community.roonlabs.com/u/anon96160794)\ **Post date:** [December 25, 2023, 8:54pm UTC](https://community.roonlabs.com/t/the-future-of-streaming-is-trouble-ahead/259693/54 "2023-12-25T20:54:26Z")
You buy everything you listen to? Every recommendation, or do you stream it to ensure you like it, then buy it? I buy from Bandcamp but not every release I like, if I like something very much and is a frequent spinner in Qobuz, I buy it, from Bandcamp not Qobuz. Buying merchandise at gigs also helps artists more probably as I expect the markups are significantly higher. Someone mentioned a pay for what you stream model, will that be on a track by track basis, will CD quality cost less than Hi Res? What about track length, should it be priced per 30 seconds increments as I just bought an EP with 2 tracks, each over 20 min long? If it’s priced out of some people’s reach they will just steal it and with VPNs widely used now, the chances of getting caught are minimal. This is why I think it will be kept affordable to most people. The players may change though. ---
**Author:** ![shankha](https://community.roonlabs.com/user_avatar/community.roonlabs.com/shankha/32/185218_2.png) [@shankha](https://community.roonlabs.com/u/shankha)\ **Post date:** [December 25, 2023, 8:58pm UTC](https://community.roonlabs.com/t/the-future-of-streaming-is-trouble-ahead/259693/55 "2023-12-25T20:58:02Z")
I stream only from Apple classical to sample music I discover from other sources (magazines, BBC etc) and then buy it to add to my collection. I still buy CDs! So here’s one person for whom streaming is a negligible part of my listening. I’m a classical musician, but a fortunate that I have since well in my day job. I try to pay the artists the full value of their music by buying their music. ---
**Author:** ![Boris\_Molodyi](https://community.roonlabs.com/letter_avatar/boris_molodyi/32/5_5575768a8748004e209b776fc1b2916d.png) [@Boris\_Molodyi](https://community.roonlabs.com/u/Boris_Molodyi)\ **Post date:** [December 26, 2023, 1:27am UTC](https://community.roonlabs.com/t/the-future-of-streaming-is-trouble-ahead/259693/56 "2023-12-26T01:27:55Z")
I dunno if he is, strictly speaking, an idiot or not (although generally he has no clue what he’s talking about) but like almost any YT “reviewer” it is basically OnlyFans for people you would not want to ever see naked. They will say whatever brings him freebies, swag, and ad money. ---
**Author:** ![RJ\_Plummer](https://community.roonlabs.com/letter_avatar/rj_plummer/32/5_5575768a8748004e209b776fc1b2916d.png) [@RJ\_Plummer](https://community.roonlabs.com/u/RJ_Plummer)\ **Post date:** [December 26, 2023, 2:39am UTC](https://community.roonlabs.com/t/the-future-of-streaming-is-trouble-ahead/259693/57 "2023-12-26T02:39:33Z")
I agree as well. It’s crazy that digital downloads cost essentially the same as CDs. Of course when the world moved from vinyl to CDs, where CDs have always been cheaper to make and distribute, the industry charged more without giving more to artists. ---
**Author:** ![Alex\_Baker](https://community.roonlabs.com/letter_avatar/alex_baker/32/5_5575768a8748004e209b776fc1b2916d.png) [@Alex\_Baker](https://community.roonlabs.com/u/Alex_Baker)\ **Post date:** [December 26, 2023, 4:20am UTC](https://community.roonlabs.com/t/the-future-of-streaming-is-trouble-ahead/259693/58 "2023-12-26T04:20:28Z")
Tidal will be the first to go. Spotify will be the only streaming service left. I told my opinion to this forum like 5 years ago Roon should have added Spotify like years ago already… Hopefully common sense will prevail with the new owners and it will _finally_ happen Cheers ---
**Author:** ![SandsOfArrakis](https://community.roonlabs.com/user_avatar/community.roonlabs.com/sandsofarrakis/32/138690_2.png) [@SandsOfArrakis](https://community.roonlabs.com/u/SandsOfArrakis)\ **Post date:** [December 26, 2023, 6:39am UTC](https://community.roonlabs.com/t/the-future-of-streaming-is-trouble-ahead/259693/59 "2023-12-26T06:39:43Z")
Roon tried to get Spotify onboard but Spotify didn’t want to. From what I’ve been reading the reason is that Spotify doesn’t want to share its data. Probably also the reason that although nearly every device has Spotify support. It is always in the form of Spotify Connect. In which you will have to use Spotify’s own app. ---
**Author:** ![Martin\_Kelly](https://community.roonlabs.com/user_avatar/community.roonlabs.com/martin_kelly/32/296796_2.png) [@Martin\_Kelly](https://community.roonlabs.com/u/Martin_Kelly)\ **Post date:** [December 26, 2023, 8:42am UTC](https://community.roonlabs.com/t/the-future-of-streaming-is-trouble-ahead/259693/60 "2023-12-26T08:42:09Z")
I think a lot of people are jealous of John Darko. Here’s a guy with an opinion on music & Hi-Fi, who is articulate and innovative enough to make money from airing his opinions. Whether you ‘like’ his approach or not, I respect him for putting himself out there. There will always be ‘haters’ in this world. Just ignore them. ---
**Author:** ![anon77144803](https://community.roonlabs.com/letter_avatar/anon77144803/32/5_5575768a8748004e209b776fc1b2916d.png) [@anon77144803](https://community.roonlabs.com/u/anon77144803)\ **Post date:** [December 26, 2023, 9:02am UTC](https://community.roonlabs.com/t/the-future-of-streaming-is-trouble-ahead/259693/61 "2023-12-26T09:02:01Z")
He’s very honest as to what he makes from his affiliate advertising, he just ran an article on it. People have to make a living and his is by reviewing kit in a hobby he loves good on him. He also buys an awful lot of the stuff he reviews himself. You might not like his style, but to have a go at someone for making a living is poor show, he’s not robbing people or ripping people off. This whole culture of all reviewers are bad because of advertising is a load of all horse crap, spread by the likes of two reviewers who don’t even seem to listen to music on the systems they review. It’s all charts and waveforms, 😴🥱 ---
**Author:** ![anon96160794](https://community.roonlabs.com/letter_avatar/anon96160794/32/5_5575768a8748004e209b776fc1b2916d.png) [@anon96160794](https://community.roonlabs.com/u/anon96160794)\ **Post date:** [December 26, 2023, 11:53am UTC](https://community.roonlabs.com/t/the-future-of-streaming-is-trouble-ahead/259693/62 "2023-12-26T11:53:24Z")
Agree. In addition he gives a lot of stuff away to his patrons in giveaways. He’s just offering an opinion and if it allows him to live a lifestyle that includes having homes in Berlin and Lisboa, good luck to him. And to be fair, he doesn’t give all glowing reviews on stuff, he gives his opinion good or bad. ---
**Author:** ![anon77144803](https://community.roonlabs.com/letter_avatar/anon77144803/32/5_5575768a8748004e209b776fc1b2916d.png) [@anon77144803](https://community.roonlabs.com/u/anon77144803)\ **Post date:** [December 26, 2023, 11:58am UTC](https://community.roonlabs.com/t/the-future-of-streaming-is-trouble-ahead/259693/63 "2023-12-26T11:58:43Z")
Yep as he also uses music I am more familiar with rather than the audiophile staples what he says about how it conveys the music makes more sense. ---
**Author:** ![Paul\_Lewis](https://community.roonlabs.com/letter_avatar/paul_lewis/32/5_5575768a8748004e209b776fc1b2916d.png) [@Paul\_Lewis](https://community.roonlabs.com/u/Paul_Lewis)\ **Post date:** [December 26, 2023, 2:21pm UTC](https://community.roonlabs.com/t/the-future-of-streaming-is-trouble-ahead/259693/64 "2023-12-26T14:21:03Z")
The current streaming platform model has been a worrying situation since I got back into audio 3 years ago. The streaming platforms have never been profitable and the artists are not making any money. Common sense tells us that this situation and the present streaming models are not sustainable. Why? No incentives for anyone. A new model has to be employed where EVERYONE in the music chain can benefit. Try this on: The music streaming platforms are incredibly wonderful for music and artist DISCOVERY. What if the platform only allowed a limited play of an album, EP or single, say, one-time full access play and there after each tune can be played up to 20 seconds. Moreover, in all cases where an artist and or an album, EP, or single appears on the screen, there is an ARTIST PORTAL link. The PORTAL link takes the subscriber to an artist site WITHIN THE STREAMING DOMAIN SITE. Once there, the subscriber/listener can purchase the physical product of their choice, a cd, vinyl LP, tape, download…whatever. Even artist merchandise. Once inside the PORTAL link, the artist is the decision maker on fulfillment. The artist chooses with the streaming platform who gets to fulfill the order. It could be Bob’s Record Shop on Main Street in the artist’s hometown, Amazon, the record company, or whoever the artist wants and sets up with the streaming platform. The Streaming Platform takes a cut of the actual physical purchase – music, merch everything. So what if the subscriber/listener doesn’t want physical media ever again? No problem. The Streaming Platform offers a LIFETIME ACCESS to an album, EP or Single for a discounted price, say $7. The artist still gets the majority cut, the platform, record company etc. get minority cuts. This is not a download because access is not separated from the platform. Want to buy the physical product in the future because you think the platform is providing bad quality or you think they’re going to go out of business in the near future, or you just don’t like their platform, image anymore? No problem. Click the link and you are back in the ARTIST PORTAL again. Another $5 bucks gets you that album in a download, add shipping and you can have a cd and of course, vinyl will cost you more but you have already got a slight discount because you purchased a lifetime access. Bottomline: Someone, Somewhere, has to Sell Something. The box of air model has never worked and it never will. There must be incentive and equity across any marketplace. Show this to Darko. ---
**Author:** ![Boris\_Molodyi](https://community.roonlabs.com/letter_avatar/boris_molodyi/32/5_5575768a8748004e209b776fc1b2916d.png) [@Boris\_Molodyi](https://community.roonlabs.com/u/Boris_Molodyi)\ **Post date:** [December 26, 2023, 4:30pm UTC](https://community.roonlabs.com/t/the-future-of-streaming-is-trouble-ahead/259693/65 "2023-12-26T16:30:24Z")
> [@Simon\_Arnold3](#): > > he’s not robbing people or ripping people off. Not directly, no, and I personally do not mind him doing whatever it is that he’s doing, as long as he does not hold people up in dark alleys or deals drugs or something… But quite a few of his recommendations are pure snake oil (be it due to commercial interests or ignorance) and that might well be interpreted as “robbing people” or at last leading them on to spend money on things they absolutely do not need. [Previous page](https://community.roonlabs.com/t/the-future-of-streaming-is-trouble-ahead/259693.md?page=2) [Next page](https://community.roonlabs.com/t/the-future-of-streaming-is-trouble-ahead/259693.md?page=4)