Track title mistakes in Weber's Clarinet Concertos under Oramo on Ondine


(James Antognini) #1

In Carl Maria von Weber, “Clarinet Concertos 1 & 2, Concertino, Clarinet Quintet,” conducted by Sakari Oramo, 1997, on Ondine: Track Title mistakes in Overview: Tracks 1, 2, 3, 8. Compare https://www.allmusic.com/album/weber-clarinet-concertos-nos-1-2-concertino-clarinet-quintet-mw0001830677 .


(James Antognini) #2

Anything on this?


(Dylan Caudill) #5

Hey @James_Antognini,

I wish to offer my sincere apologies on the delay here! You’ve posted quite a few metadata issues recently, which we are extremely grateful for, but investigating these reports is often a time consuming process. We truly do appreciate you bringing these to our attention, and rest assured we are going through them, but they will take a bit of time to fully investigate and resolve.

We appreciate your patience as we look into these reports, James.

Kind regards,
Dylan


(James Antognini) #6

Again, any news?


(James Antognini) #7

Yet again, any news?


(James Antognini) #8

I tried to use WORK/PART tags to get the track titles correct. That worked, but for the first work – Clarinet Concerto No. 1 in F minor, Op. 75 – the work is misidentified as a bassoon concerto. Nothing I have tried (including deleting the album) and re-adding it to the watched folders, fixes the mis-titling.


(James Antognini) #12

Any thoughts from the Roon team? I’m aggravated by the seeming impossibility of any Roon settings to change the title of tracks 1-3 from Bassoon Concerto to Clarinet Concerto.


(Dylan Caudill) #13

Hey there @James_Antognini,

Apologies for the delay on this one. This was actually a little tricky, and we had a meeting to discuss the options here recently. We are reaching out to our metadata provider to make an update here, and we will be sure to keep you up to date once we have heard back from them.

Kind regards,
Dylan


(James Antognini) #14

My immediate concern isn’t the metadata (though they need fixing). It’s that I cannot override the title.


(James Antognini) #15

Hellooooo … Anything happening on this issue?


(Dylan Caudill) #16

Hi @James_Antognini,

You have our sincere apologies for the wait here. We heard back from our metadata provider today. They’ve investigated this and made a correction on their end. This will reflect in your library within a week.

Thanks for the report!


(James Antognini) #17

This – tracks 1-3, Weber Clarinet Concerto No. 1 in F minor, op. 75, by Karl Kriikku and others on Ondine, which information I am taking from the CD booklet – is still broken. Roon shows (below) this as Bassoon Concerto in F major, J. 127, op. 75. Interesting, AllMusic, https://www.allmusic.com/album/weber-clarinet-concertos-nos-1-2-concertino-clarinet-quintet-mw0001830677, gets tracks 1-3 wrong, saying they are for op. 73 in F major (but still a clarinet concerto).

I re-identified the album just now, and in the entry I chose, tracks 1-3 were shown as clarinet concerto (see second below, but notice that the tracks were identified as op. 73). I then used the edit function for each track to show op. 75 as the title. All to no avail.

Where is Roon getting “bassoon concerto”? And why is Roon ignoring what the metadata in the re-identification say and ignoring what my manual track edits say?


(James Antognini) #18

@Steve: This was the issue I described last night at Music Matters in Seattle.


(Dylan Caudill) #19

Hi @James_Antognini,

Looking here, it appears that the Clarinet Concerto No. 1 is Op. 73, and the Bassoon Concerto is Op. 75. When the edit is made changing it to Op. 75, we pick this up as being the Bassoon Concerto.


(James Antognini) #20

OK, the opus number given on the CD (booklet and back case insert) is wrong, and the file names (eg, D:\MusicDir\Kari Kriikku\Weber_ Clarinet Concertos, Concertino, Quintet\01 - Karl Kriikku - Weber_ Clarinet Concertos, Concertino, Quintet - Clarinet Concerto No. 1 in F Minor, Op. 75 - I Allegro.flac) give the wrong opus number.

Assuming that editing the 3 tracks to Op. 73 will cure the problem: How do I do that edit? It’s not obvious.


(Dylan Caudill) #21

Hi @James_Antognini,

Would you mind sending this album over to us so we can take a closer look?

Ideally, you can zip up the entire folder and send me a private message containing a shared dropbox link. If you don’t have Dropbox or need another way to send the media, just let me know.


(James Antognini) #22

Just sent a private message with the link for Dropbox.


(James Antognini) #23

As an experiment, I used dbPoweramp to rip again, but this time I first corrected track titles 1-3 to “Clarinet Concerto No. 1 in F minor, J. 114 (Op. 73)”: When I deleted the original album from Roon and then added the new rip, everything was good.