I happen to be a complete and utter audio quality snob. Valence has become my discovery tool. Tts scary how well it marches exactly what I want to hear. Fabulous!
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I’m a Valence fan too (it’s 100% the reason I use Roon), but I’m also surprised that something like Roon Radio matches exactly what you want to hear? How would one look past the odd transpositions and duplicates?
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Silly question perhaps, but how do you actively use Valence? Is it just Roon radio that learns your habits?
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That doesn’t really answer the question.
It’s what Valence is/does in Roon’s own words.
A fair amount of hyperbole, but answers the question.
In short, Valence is the brain behind Roon Radio and more.
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That’s the question which wasn’t answered.
Use roon radio, personalised mixes or the excellent personalised album recommendations that appear in each genre/album/artist page
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Well you aren’t being much help are you.
Why don’t you answer the question instead of criticising others.
The first link I posted tells everyone what Valance is in Roon’s words.
You don’t actively use it? So the question was incorrectly asked.
“What Valence is” and “How it’s actually used” are not the same thing. I wasn’t criticising, I was pointing out.
I can’t answer the question, because i don’t know the answer. If I did, I would have answered it.
How was @gweb’s question incorrectly asked?
Perhaps you should assume good intent instead of assuming that people are hassling you.
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I’ll accept this as an apology 
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You really don’t “use it” because there are no settings. This has been debated for a while if you should be able to give it hints like more or less popular. But without settings there is no way to “interact” with it*
It is behind Roon Radio and the Daily Mixes and few other things. So, if you use any of the suggestion driven features you are using it.
*The only exception here is when you skip a sing from Roon Radio and you answer one of the three questions I believe this influences Valence going forward. If you want to influence Valence then you’d need to skip and tell it why you’re skipping. Other than that, there is no way to interact with it from an influence / settings perspective that I am aware of.
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Not skipping is probably considered as feedback as well
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Wish that a subscription to a service was not necessary to get top-tier Valence playlists.
Which subscription are you talking about? My understand is that Valence is the grand name Roon uses to name its AI algo?
Honestly, if the algo is good in roon, it really depends on the genre.
Jazz, yes, perfect, classical as well. Essentially most important audiophile genres. But try a niche and you’ll get lots of crap. Especially if that artist you started the radio from hasn’t many listeners.
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Don’t you need a Tidal or Qobuz sub for any DJ/smart playlist feature to work well? Without it, isn’t just a dumb algo that plays similar genres?
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Smart playlists aren’t anything to do with the algo. But when using radio (with Qobuz and Tidal) it’s currently just a rotating list of popular artists in the same genre anyway.
Well… here’s how I use Roon Radio/Valance. I keep my music choices as albums with a few playlists also. So, I look through my 1500 favorite albums for some music that pleases me at that moment. Different times, different moods and choices. I’m sure we all are that way. I play an album, maybe only the last cut, and then let Roon Radio take over from there. It often chooses music I like and had never considered. If something comes up that sounds good, I add that album to “Play Later” to investigate in more detail. So it’s my music discovery function.
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Bingo. Exactly my “workflow”
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