Tired of all the issues with my Nucleus and Roon hanging up in my fully hardwired - from the wall to the nucleus, to my Lumin P1 and my laptop- and it hangs up on several other hardwired roon certified devices too-
I’ve read about people switching to a mac mini with an m4 chip, 16k - is this the right configuration and how will I load roon onto it and use it as a roon core - my laptop is a Mac if it matters. thanks
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I have recently started to think about updating my old Mac Mini (late 2014) to a new Mac Mini M4. My main Roon server is a Nucleus that has no problems. I use my Mac Mini as a “backup” but have recently wired it directly to my Oppo 203 and Bose for multichannel playback with Roon, Audirvana, and Tidal. I think a Mac Mini M4 would be a good choice. I would probably get the base model for my library size of < 100,000 tracks.
I run Roon server - most of the time - on a Mac mini M4/16gb (base model), as far as performance/speed imo it runs circles around a sonic transporter that I used and especially vs nucleus plus that I used in the past. 98k tracks and blazing fast.
I use a Mac Mini M4, 32 GB as Roon Server. I use the Mac also as a daily work horse and it works without any flaws here. I believe also M2 models with basic RAM should do it as well.
Thanks, I wonder if the hanging up symptons I have currently in my hardwired system with the Nucleus will be abated if I switch to the Mac Mini.
I doubt it. I bet the issues are somehow somewhere in the network and switching to a Mini won’t fix it.
@wklie from Lumin offered to investigate this with you, and @mjw advised you to open a ticket with Roon support on your previous thread already. As far as I can tell, you did neither, and most likely nothing will change until you do:
I told you then, but you didn’t want to spend „hours with Roon support“, and so here we are again:
I went from a M1 8gb ram to a M4 16gb ram. Both were plenty fast for roon, even with Convolution filters and DSD256/512 upsampling.
but a base M4 is so cheap for the performance… I’ve only 800 albums but never had performance issues with roon . But if I were to use HQplayer I would probably get a 24gb M4 
Your previous thread was closed, and I’m still waiting for the results of the tests I asked you to perform:
Firstly we need to check the network infrastructure and Lumin operation. Instead of Roon, please try Tidal app Tidal Connect, Qobuz app Qobuz Connect, or Spotify app Spotify Connect to P1. For Tidal / Qobuz you need a paid subscription or a free trial, but a free account does not work. Spotify free account will work, if you don’t have any of these.
See if these streaming services can play (on repeat or Auto Play) for several hours without any abnormal issues.
I agree with @Suedkiez changing the Roon Server will not fix your problem.
@wklie There’s a Support thread now. Here’s hoping you get it sorted, @andrew_cowan1
I moved from a 10th gen i5 Nuc running DietPi to an M4 Pro Mac Mini with 24GB of RAM (I also wanted to run HQPlayer at times)
Generally performance is good, especially when Roon server is restarted. But when Roon is creating lots of threads when updating metadata or importing new music things are no better than on the NUC and I feel like that is just software bugs and laggy interface.
The new EA with scheduled metadata updates is a step in the right direction, but I would often find Roon still performing poorly first thing in the morning after completing all these tasks .
I have now scheduled a morning Roon server restart after all the metadata updates and backups are completed and things generally run very well.
Of course none of this makes any difference if Roon are having Cloud service issues or your network is struggling to move data around fast enough as Roon is a very sub par experience in both those situations.
Thanks and helpful and you validate my ongoing issues/complaints with Roon. I don’t want to have to be a network engineer figuring out how to optimize my network and devices, restart systems, schedule reboots and updates and everything else- I just want to listen to music and def not be stressed while trying to do it. I’m willing to trade off the roon interface for using Quboz directly and without the hassle.
They do play fine. Often when roon suddenly hangs up I see the display on the Lumin go into what looks like standby mode. Then if I go to quboz and choose Lumin p1 as the source it will play and kick the lumin back on- sometimes though I get errors after a few seconds of playing that “the input was switched” , usually this happens when roon tries to play again- and it seems its confused and with both the option of quboz or roon playing at the same time.
Shoud I only connect the lumin to the nucleus by usb c and not use ethernet? This still leaves me dependent on roon working however.
Lastly, I have an optical connection to the luminous from a blusound node and when roon gets buggy I’ll use the remote on the lumin to change over to the optical input from the blusound and then use Bluos to run the node and it works fine of course because I’m streaming from the node to the lumin using the blusound app.
So I’ve just filmed an example. Roon WILL NOT PLAY via the lumin. It indicates that its playing on the lumin icon on the right hand side of the screen- but- hitting the play icon on roon for a song results in nothing. No movement, no sound. I open and quit roon 6-10 times and same thing. Then I go to Quboz Connect- same thing- Quboz thinks its playing and the Lumin doesn’t play. Then I go to spotify - it starts to stream and then stops a few seconds in to each song. Same with blusound. So- the lumin won’t play on roon direct, quboz, spotify or blusound. and they each think they’re playing for a few seconds and then prompt “too many errors” or similar. I think its your Lumin. which Id be happy to throw out in the trash if it got rid of this insantity.
If neither Qobuz Connect nor Spotify Connect streams to Lumin correctly, we need to solve this first before solving your other Roon issues, if any. (Roon 2.58 - 2.60 also has a known issue that hopefully may have been addressed in Early Access 2.61. So this unfortunate timing complicates things.)
Please factory reset your Lumin using Lumin app - settings - Player Options - About (your Lumin hardware). Readjust the volume after factory reset (if necessary). Keep using Lumin analog output.
Please connect your Lumin directly to the router, power cycle the whole network chain starting from the modem, router, network switches, Lumin, phones and tablets, etc. See if Qobuz Connect or Spotify Connect can play for hours.
thanks- yo urealize how insane this all is right?? ? ? Resetting an entire network, wiping out the lumin, discconecting , rebooting, Roon having known issues at the same time. Who and why would ANYONE put up with this insanity and- PAY FOR IT.
The Lumin is probably the issue ?
I’m running roon on a m4 Mac mini with a hardwired pi4 and a wireless Cambridge CXN v2 in the bedroom. Also streaming wirelessly to a Apple TV was never a issue.
Roon works most of the time hassle free if there is no cloud issue going on.
Maybe take a beat. You want to fix this and not just vent, right? Consider being a little nicer to the people that are trying to help you even if you think they’re at fault. Even though this is an online community, and you’re not in the same physical room as the people you’re talking to, you’re still more likely to get the help you need if you say “please” and “thank you”.
You could say, “Hi, @wklie. Thanks for trying to help. When I search, I see that a number of people have had similar issues with Lumin devices and Roon. Is this a known issue?”
Thanks. It’s been years of this. Yes, I’m exhausted and frustrated and have torn the system down, switched providers, added hard wiring and followed all advice on the hundred pages of support on this forum. I conclude Roon is too demanding and too complicated , too technical for an average user- and it’s not stable years into production. I’m getting rid of it and the incredible frustration it has brought into my otherwise relaxing hobby.
it always amazes me that people come to forums and seek help from other enthusiast with such an unfriendly attitude.