1.8 a wasted opportunity

Tens of thousands of butchers aren’t. Supermarkets killed their businesses.

If we all agreed, there’d be nothing to talk about!

And virtually unlistenable to any real audiophile, due to the extremely low bitrate that SiriusXM uses. Even in a car it’s painful to listen to if you have a half decent car stereo. I do like their programming however. I used it in my car for many years and enjoyed several channels. But after retiring I don’t drive enough anymore to make the subscription cost worthwhile.


Incorrect, consumers killed their businesses.


Because they didn’t see it coming and we’re too slow to adapt.

I must say, I’m growing extremely weary of the many recent discussions in these forums where posters seem believe they’re speaking for all of us. If you have a contrary opinion, the retort is often “most users would agree that”…in support of the poster’s argument, of course.
I’ll revisit these discussions in a few weeks, once these posters realize they speak for themselves, not for me. Meanwhile, I’ll enjoy 1.8 and the music.


It’s growing to 250,000 now, and the software company I work for had approx this number 5 years in, with similar licensing fees. We have been in the business for close to 20 years, approaching a million users now and doing very well, thank you very much. If you fulfill a specialist need, it doesn’t have to be for the masses


I use it mostly for talk radio, but it performs better than over the air AM/FM. At least you can get reception in remote locations.

Audiophile quality was never a thought.

This is absurd!

The Radio Paradise guy is OBVIOUSLY the best, hehe.

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You may belive that number - or not.

Who defines what „good“ feedback is? you? The op may voice his opinion. To which you may agree or not. But you should not lecture him.

But the very best ones - the artisans of butchery, if you like - are still going strong. I suspect that most of believe that Roon is in a similar position - producing the audiophile equivalent of an artisanal pork chop :slight_smile:


I don’t really have a dog in this fight. At this time, I don’t have a reason not to believe it. Just passing along the information.

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Or maybe just those with the sharpest knives! Eeek! Eeek! Eeek!

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A $100 Amazon Fire Tablet will solve this problem. I know that you…

but I’m surprised you’d put up with using an iPhone with Roon for even 2 seconds. The experience isn’t great. Get a tablet. Splurge on a nice big iPad if you want a better screen.


More like dis-economies of scale: lose on every sale, make it up on volume :stuck_out_tongue_winking_eye:

Every single audio product I own (streamers, DACs, amps, headphones, speakers) has orders of magnitude fewer users. Some of those companies have been around way longer than Roon Labs. Their designers have been in business for decades, in those companies or previous ones, never mass market. So?

Not my argument. I think the number of users is almost irrelevant for Roon, as long as they have enough revenue to support maintenance.

And, as you point out, there are always going to be luxury brands selling at outrageous markups to small numbers (in relative terms) of customers. The rarity is part of the brand.

Expensive does not necessarily mean outrageous markup: the handmade headphones and amp I’m using right now are expensive because of labor and materials. So is powerful niche software.

Where did that come from ?

100k is repeatedly quoted but never higher ?

OOPS just saw the quote above…