A Roon on (Synology) NAS Primer

Roon never appears on the start menu it should be running

in the package center click on roon and you can see if it is running if not start it will display a start button

when it is running then you should be able to connect from any remote and configure it

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That did it, thanks. Roon is adding music now, but man, much slower than the NUC:

Anyway, it will allow me to do the test a bit later.

David

Maybe not…

Five hours later and Roon has not progressed beyond my earlier screenshot.

I thought that my NAS would be powerful enough to support. Here is my hardware:


with a Synology SODIMM Non-ECC RAM DDR4-2666 4GB (D4NESO-2666-4G).

If that is sufficient, if so, what else can I do to make this move?

Had a NAS with a similar but less powerful CPU and 4GB of RAM. Power is absolutely sufficient for smaller libraries of less than 20,000 tracks if you accept a slight delay in certain operations. 4,280 is your total number of files?

I guess the identification process got stuck (happens sometimes with audio analysis but would not rule out with identification as well). It is advisable to reboot and restart roon and add the folder once more.

I agree. I have a collection of 50,000 songs on a 1522+ (formerly on a DS918+ that was perhaps only 10-20% slower), totaling 2.3TB, and while a first-time analysis took a couple days, that was a one-time operation, and all re-scans when adding new music take about 5-8 seconds. I do recommend 8GB of RAM if you can.

@David_Weinberg Did you restore your ROCK database to your Synology from a backup? That will mitigate the need for a from-scratch re-scan.

What form of RAID are you running? And is your Roon database on an SSD?

I made some progress, but slow going. Here is where I am-
I am able to load ROCK on my NUC as before, but it appears that ARC is no longer able to find it on my phone where I was able to do so before beginning this effort:

I am able to load ROCK on my NAS (that is the good news!) but the ARC settings give me a network error. All my settings are the same except for using the ROCK on the NAS, but yet I get these network errors:

So, some progress with the NAS, but now a loss of not being able to use ARC on my phone…

@DDPS, to your questions:
–Did you restore your ROCK database to your Synology from a backup? That will mitigate the need for a from-scratch re-scan.

  • Not at first, but I did after seeing your questions and the restore was not successful (I can try again with a different backup once I get further down the road).

–What form of RAID are you running?

  • Synology Hybrid RAID (SHR) (With data protection for 1-drive fault tolerance)

–And is your Roon database on an SSD?

David

Hey, and now some progress- I was able to get Roon to see my phone using the NUC:

I’m fully back to where I started with ROCK running on my NUC. Still not happening on the NAS.

How is your port forwarding set up for each?

It is highly recommended that you have the Roon database on an SSD. Since you only have 3 spinning drives, I might recommend adding an SSD as a 4th drive as a separate storage pool.

Tip: If you are migrating from and old NAS to a new NAS and your watched folder path references your old Synology NAS model, here’s how to fix that:

  1. In your Synology Control Panel, make sure that SSH Service is enabled in Terminal & SNMP.

  2. In a terminal that supports SSH, issue a command like this:

    ssh -2 {AdminName}@{HostnameOrIPAddress} -p{portNumnerSpecifiedInYourControlPanel}

    Like this:

    ssh -2 admin@192.168.1.200 -p22

    When prompted, enter the appropriate password for that admin account.

  1. Follow these commands:

    a) cd /etc
    b) sudo cp synoinfo.conf OLD.synoinfo.conf (when prompted, enter your admin password; this creates a backup of the file in case you make a mistake)
    c) sudo vim synoinfo.conf (or use whatever text editor you prefer)
    - Search for the line that includes “upnpmodelname”
    - Edit the value and save the file.

  2. Reboot your NAS.

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BTW - an update - Synology does officially support using the M.2 cache slots for storage pools in certain models (only 8 at the time of this writing):

Series Models
23-series DS1823xs+, DS923+, DS723+, DS423+
22-series1 DS1522+
21-series1 DS1821+, DS1621xs+, DS1621+

And looks like it was only added in DSM 7.2.

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Hi after this step can’t see my music folder. I recover Old…sunoinfo.conf again. than reboor NAS and still can’t see path to music. Cant manaully add this folder…whats wrong? :frowning:

Have you checked that you can reach the folder from another PC using the same username and password?

Hi,
when add path like smb://ip_address/ + user name+ password I see only msg: Invalid Network Path or when add to smb://ip_address/music/ I see msg: UnexpectedError.

update:
I see a few bugs in NAS, when I open smb see msg: Can’t load system settings (I translate from polish msg). SMB aplicatnion works, but can’t change settings.

Another bug: “Configuration backup. The operation failed. Please sign to DSM again and retry.”

How should I fix it ?

There seem to be a good number of threads regarding high RAM usage when Roon is running on a Synology.

Is the current build for Synology have any memory issues?

Not in my experience. One thing to keep in mind is that Roon Server is designed to consume as much available RAM as possible, but mostly in what Synology calls “cached” form. The core app uses about 3.3GB of RAM for my collection of 2.4TB of music/53,000 tracks (e.g, when Roon isn’t running, I have about 600MB of RAM used). The additional 10.9GB of “Cached” RAM (a fair portion of which is used by Roon) can be quickly and transparently released for use by other applications as needed:

In other words, Roon will minimally consume merely 3.3GB of RAM on my system, and that’s pretty good. There is a lot more RAM available for other applications that might need it than just the 382.6MB indicated. It’s frequently misunderstood, but all modern operating systems and many applications are conditioned to opportunistically use RAM this way. There is no sense in having RAM sit around idle when it’s the most expensive form of memory in all of our computers.

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Similar picture on mine:

Actual resource use by Roon is even lower:

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I’ve never had any problems with roon and excessive use of RAM on my Synology DS1821+ with 64 Gb installed. Roon typical use like 18 Gb, I’ve noticed it have used up to 21 Gb maximum, during the 5 months it has been running on my NAS. I’ve got a 585000 (19,5 Tb) flac/dsd library all localy stored on the NAS.



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