Apple Music High Res

Nothing that hasn’t been proven yet – but the D10s just came in and nicely does autoswitching, lossless and highres from Apple Music. It’s currently a bridge to the KEF:

iDevice > Lightning tot USB adapter > USB > Topping D10s > optical or coax > KEF LS50 WII.

Sounds great, but having to lift my lazy ass from the couch whenever I want to switch music is getting old quickly. It’ll make a nice toy for the Home Office though, where there’s a pair of LSX idly waiting… :smiley:

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lol…great!! enjoy, having an eye on the KEF too :hugs:

They’re great (and eat everything you throw at them). Add a KC62 and you’re golden.

Back to Apple Music High Res – I guess this will do for now:

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No. You need an NAA endpoint in your listening room if your DAC doesn’t have the NAA protocol built in, just like Roon with RAAT. The server can be, and should be, anywhere else than the listening room.

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Thank you, Daniel.
I am not sure if I want to go down the road that leads to more devices. I am happy with my Nucleus+ and my Dac, which is Roon ready. I think I can live with that, plus Qobuz via Roon.
And then, I also have my headphone setup. I might try HighResAudio via HQP. My subscription lasts till June. So I have some time left. The Audirvana route simply didn’t work out.

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Qobuz and Roon is a perfect match imo. I decided for that combi too. And it is running pretty much w/o any issues. :hugs: If you like to try HQP, the tipp to put it all on a Macbook Air or what you have handy is a good one imo. Server and NAA you may add later, in case you want too. But honestly myself was already pretty fine with Qobuz-Roon-HQPlayer, all on one machine :hugs:

A combi for mobile that I loved because of its easy handling: Just stream via Airplay from iPhone/iPad to e.g. a little Fiio (M6). Makes really fun imo. Not the best SQ and not hires. But for mobile, so what. And to me a huge advantage of this setup: no cables and DACs at the iPad at all. As getting older do not like that cable stuff anymore :grinning_face_with_smiling_eyes:

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Normally “something is wrong with your chain” is reserved for when something goes wrong with bit perfect playback.

In my case, I have (shown - anyone can reproduce if you have the right gear) bit perfect playback up to 24/192k wirelessly (Airplay - specifically iOS to macOS).

So this is a rare example of “something is wrong with your chain” actually resulting in something going right ? :smiley:

Yes please. Unless you have the gear to reproduce what I showed, there’s no point we go in circles. I shared all the details required for someone to reproduce (if they have the right gear).

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Let‘s end it. Great, if you really have a way to get Airplay streaming bitperfect 192/24 at your gear. But I do not believe this.

If you like to, we can look in detail on your chain per DM. But first I would really like to ask you to read this article incl its comments till January Apple Music Lossless Mess Part 2: AirPlay - Bits and Bytes - Audiophile Style

Nice KEFS, but since they’re active, why pump the output of your excellent Topping DAC into the aux of a set of active speakers with digital crossover? – i.e. it’s going to be bunging the analogue line level output which came out of your Topping through an internal ADC inside the speaker, doing the DSP crossover and then running that through its internal DACs (one per driver?) before amping it.

Wouldn’t you be (probably marginally but more logically) better off just feeding the USB out of your iPhone into a USB to SPDIF/Toslink converter and thence into the LS50II’s Toslink input?

Or am I missing something?

I use one of these to get music out of my desktop linux box into my RME ADI-2’s SPDIF input – The RME’s USB input is permanently connected to USB out of a Roon Endpoint.

Works well.

Oh… just realised you can probably use that Topping model as a digital passthrough IIRC and you’re taking Toslink out the back and just using the Topping as a format converter / sample rate display! So you’re all good. Please ignore my essay on how to suck eggs! :smiley:

Chain is detailed already in posts above. No need for further DM. And I have no interest in repeating what I already wrote in October. It is all there.

As I mentioned a few times, you need to have the right gear to test this. If you don’t have a DAC that can verify bit perfect transfer, this discussion is a waste of time.

The article you linked above is dated June 2021.

The feature I tested was released after that date. I think you need to spend a bit more time reading my posts from October to understand what I showed.

So that June 2021 article you linked is completely irrelevant to what I showed in October 2021.

So I’m not sure you understood what I showed. Have a more careful read of all that discussion in this thread and I think it will become clearer to you.

There is a very simple reason nobody is using it this way. That was all discussed too if you read carefully :wink:

hm. Last comment January 26 at that article. Noone mentions bitperfect 192/24 there. Ok. Never mind.

First you referred to the June 2021 analysis in your link . The feature I tested did not exist.

Now you refer to lack of comment in the comments section?

Repeating again:

It has all been discussed but its clear you haven’t read.

hm… „ If you like to, we can look in detail on your chain per DM. But first I would really like to ask you to read this article incl its comments till January Apple Music Lossless Mess Part 2: AirPlay - Bits and Bytes - Audiophile Style “…

I’ve read back in June 2021. It is irrelevant to the test I did of feature that came later.

We go in circles.

No need for DM.

Buy an RME ADI-2. Test using the bit perfect test files RME provide. The DAC screen will show you if all the bits arrived unaltered. Test files include 24/192.

Repeat the simple setup I already explained in October of this thread.

Have a read pls.

Otherwise let’s not waste more time going in circles

You do not even get between iOS and Mac OS 192 via Airplay. You need to measure, what arrives at Mac. There is the measuring point.

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You haven’t ready any posts from October.

If you did you would understand your post doesn’t make sense.

See the test setup details please.

I don‘t see which player you did use in your setup.Maybe missing it. May you please add, which players you did use for the testfile? Airplay is cabable of up to 120 Mbit already. But not for audio transfer. Therefore please, which player for the testfile? I ask for the used player(s) just to rule out, that you did not simply bitcorrect transfer a testfile via Airplay. It has to be Audio obviously. Did Quicktimeplayer open at Mac blocking all other usage?

BTW Myself is using this way to listen to some stuff. You may have realized too that Spotify and Soundcloud and partly Bandcamp block this way to listen. But this as sidenote only. Anyway recommended it a while ago at Metapop and blend for listening. So, for free stuff. Next to Apple Music, Youtube Music does not switch to Quicktimeplayer blocking usage of Mac. Youtube Music plays videos too. Not surprising as it is Airplay. Which can to up to 120 Mbit as known. So, it comes back to may question please which player for your testfile?

@Marco_Klobas Myself totally disagrees that this would be a irrelvant feature for listening on Mac. I think, the opposite is the case. So it would be great, if he could spend the time for testing it. Adding Mac as endpoint for Airplay is a gamechanger imo. It has the potential to kill Spotify Commect, Tidal Commect, Roon Stuff, KEF stuff, NAA….by moving it into the OS. It is all just depending on the Audio Bitrate. And of course it should not block you Mac from usage for other purposes. However, I think Apple will be very very careful about removing the limit in bitrate for audio with Airplay, simply because it would hit a lot of other companies - and customers from Apple - very very hard imo. Just my five cents.

Exactly that. Given Apple’s antics so far, I find value in being able to see what exactly passes through. :slight_smile:

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I use that Topping when I want to feed my Naim Uniti Atom Headphone Edition with Apple Music via my iPad. The Naim doesn’t have a USB input so the Topping serves as a handy digital output pass-through converter into Optical which goes into the Naim.

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I apologize for my forthcoming (annoying and perhaps redundant) question.

I stream Qobuz via our Auralic G2 streamer to our Denafrips Terminator+ DAC.

What dedicated streamer (not Pi etc) would do the same for Apple Music?

Thank you.