How does Roon decide on Qobuz, Tidal or Tidal MQA for tracks in their Daily Mix?

Another thought occurred.
Would Roon select a different track selection depending on my streaming service?

If I had Qobuz only it’s limited to what’s, available on that service.
Same if it was only Tidal.

I have both which raises my initial question but now really has me thinking.

Depending on service I could conceivably see three totally different playlists even though the main architect was the same.

I’m guessing that’s correct. I doubt you would get Tidal music if you didn’t have a Tidal account. Same for Qobuz. But IDK.

I still feel there is something very off with the Tidal vs Qobuz ratio in Roon Daily mix.

Last two mix I have bothered to check show exactly the same ratio.
Of 25 tracks, 21 were Tidal (2MQA) and just 4 Qobuz.

Just does not seem correct to my mind.

I think this is true, for electronic music Tidal has a much greater selection. I would assume that my mixes would be pretty different on Qobuz.

Just looked at one of my mixes, its a pretty healthy blend of both Qobuz and Tidal.

I think Tidal is in more of the mixes because when there is a 16/44 only, Tidal is picked by default.

When disabling Tidal it replaces all the tracks with Qobuz versions so in this instance it made no difference.

I’ve always thought it is biased toward tidal as it has more subscribers and data as it was first in to Roon and is available in more countries. So roon has more this person then played that pathways stored.

Let me check a few more Daily Mix spread over next few days to get a more meaningful average and I will report back.

Appreciate you listening Jamie to our concerns.

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@jamie Just from looking at your screenshot I can tell the instances where Qobuz has been chosen are where it has a hires version. Would you mind confirming this for me please by playing the tracks?

I’m pretty certain that you’ll never get a 44/16 track from Qobuz. Just like I am experiencing.

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I have just looked at the first 2 daily mixes available.

  1. Clearly Tidal is favoured over Qobuz



  1. Clearly Qobuz is favoured over Tidal



Random is as random does!

.sjb

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Just checked all six of today’s daily mix selection, only once is it close, the other five are a Tidal blowout.
Results are shown as Tidal/Qobuz.

15/10
13/12
22/3
20/5
21/4
18/7

Something odd is afoot and I am likely missing something important here that makes the Tidal choices higher.

Genre?

Most of my Daily Mix are a flavour of Prog Rock/Metal.
Maybe there are more selections just naturally available on Tidal of this particular genre??

This could be it in my case.
The one Mix that was close was a “Normal” rock mix ( Steve Winwood) with a lot of more common and mainstream artists.

And the worst case of 22/3 was a really obscure Prog Rock artist called Caligula’s Horse.

I think in my case I see the pattern and potential reason for the Tidal majority.

Ok final edit…

Just checked a Jethro Tull playlist I had saved with a lot of large house hold name artists…8/17.

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The only reason you are getting Qobuz hits are because it has selected a hires version - 44/24 or higher.

None of your Qobuz selections are 44/16.

Please check if any of the Qobuz selections were 44/16 quality.

This may be the non-random issue then.

I have reported previously that AAC that are 24 bit on Tidal are preferred to 16/44 on Qobuz.

.sjb

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There could be something in that as well.
Most of the Qobuz choices I looked at were indeed higher res than 16/44.
Maybe @Sloop_John_B theory holds water here too.
And this would then all jive with my obscure genre theory as there would simply not be any hires Qobuz versions available for Roon to choose from.
So Tidal AAC maybe influencing the mix choice here.

I think it needs further Roon investigation.

FWIW, if you want this to be configurable, there’s a feature request you can vote for…

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I have 6 months of daily mix data. Will give it a review of tidal vs Qobuz choices.

Let’s discuss tomorrow…

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@kwangomango , resolution doesn’t (and never has) played a role in selection. Whether a Search or Roon Radio, resolution has no impact.

I would hazzard a guess that Valence as per usual is picking the most popular versions of tracks or ones that match better from Roons user base like Radio does and as more users are likely still using Tidal versions as it’s more widely used as it’s available in more countries?

I’m not saying resolution plays a role it what is selected, just that if both platforms only have a 44/16 version of a track, then the Qobuz version is never the one which is picked.

Qobuz tracks are only ever added to daily mixes if they have a better quality version than Tidal.

This is clear from my experience and the screenshots which have been shown here in the last few posts.

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I just did a recent look through my daily mixes, and it does look random, but the results vary depending on what genre you seem to be listening to.

Jean-Guihen Queyras Mix (Classical)
Qobuz -12
Tidal - 13

Blind Guardian Mix (Metal)
Qobuz - 6
Tiday - 19

Rick James Mix (Funk)
Qobuz - 11
Tidal - 14

Nils Lofgren Mix (Rock)
Qobuz - 13
Tidal - 12

Ahmad Jamal Mix (Jazz)
Qobuz - 9
Tidal - 16

Anathema Mix (Metal)
Qobuz - 4
Tidal - 21