iPad Air 2 OR Sony Xperia Z4

Hello Daniel,

Does that imply that when roonSpeaker is released my iPad Air 2 used for the roon Remote App can also be used as an endpoint, if you know.

Or anyone…

Best,
Richard

Hi Richard,

I do believe that part of the functionality of RoonSpeakers will provide will allow IOS tablets to then act as an endpoint as well.

Daniel

Info about RoonSpeakers and Google/Apple here:

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Hello Daniel & AndyBob,

Thank you both. I do recall the post AndyBob reminded me of…

With appreciation,
Richard

Thanks for all the answers so far.

@Rugby The 4:3 aspect ratio actually is a good point speaking for the Samsung S2.
However, the S2 is much faster might be true, but for what I am planning to do with it (Roon, surfing, Netflix) I guess the Sony’s power should suffice.

@VirusKiller@REShaman
That’s what I heard, read and experienced too. iOS seems to have a much better tablet friendly ecosystem for apps.
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@andybob
Plain and simple this means, there is no way (at least in the near future) for an IPad Air 2 to act as an endpoint, meaning no headphones, no Bluetooth speakers, no let’s say Google ChromeCast Audio,…
That’s actually I quite big negative point in my book.
Is it possible to use the iPad as second Roon server, which might be an annoyance to keep to libraries up-to-date? But one could at least could it to other output devices.

To some up:

iPad Air 2:

  • sleek device (hard- and software wise).
  • more fitting aspect ratio (4:3) than most android devices, with the exception of the Samsung S2.
  • not usable as a Roon end point, meaning can only be used as remote.

Android (Samsung S2, Sony Xperia 4)

  • usable as a Roon endpoint

Ok, “in medias res”-time for me :wink:

Cheers,
Pumpe19

Hi pumpe 19,

Brian has indicated he would be disappointed if RoonSpeakers wasn’t released in November. I don’t know if that will include an iPad RoonSpeakers app or not. There is no iPad Core app and I have not heard of any plans for one. You can, of course, run headphones or Bluetooth speakers from the Core or any other endpoint that can run them, but (at the moment) a Remote iPad will only control zones connected to the Core (that will also change with RoonSpeakers). It’s not yet clear whether the ChromeCast Audio could be an endpoint with RoonSpeakers or not, there was some discussion in this thread:

Thanks @andybob.
So it stands that feature wise the Android app has a lead over iOS for the time being.

P.S. Could an Android tablet run Roon Core?

The apps for both Google and iPad are Remotes only. One day tablets may be powerful enough to run a Core, but that is not this day :smile:

Wonder if an iPad can run RoonSpeakers and be a remote? (thinking multi-tasking of apps here)

Mike referred to running two apps here. I think there have been some later posts inferring two apps also:

Were you wondering about capacity of the hardware Joel ?

No, I was wondering if this will end up as one or two apps on the iPad; and if two, if RoonSpeakers can run (and be streamed to) whilst using the same iPad as a remote. So iOS limitations, not hardware limitations.

@VirusKiller , I think based on what has been said that your guess is probably right, the iPad would be able to run the Roon Remote Client as usual and run the RoonSpeaker app; but, you would still need a RoonServer somewhere to process the audio and the audio requests.

Naturally! Does bring to mind the question though how Roon will evolve to mobile devices away from the home/server…

@VirusKiller My guess is that it would become a completely different product. Just napkin-ing at work while I wait for my coffee to brew, I’d say that such a project would need some of the following: while attached at home the phone would function as a “phone remote” to control a playlist on an endpoint. It would also have Import functionality to import the music from the Roon Core to the phone, transcoding the audio as needed for local phone playback (probably to a selectable MP3, ALAC, FLAC, etc etc). It would also transfer a slimmed down database to only house info related to imported music. There would also need to be a delete/cleanup function to remove such imported music, as well as some type of space reporting to let the user know how much the phone can hold. As much as I hate syncing folders, that could work as a quick and dirty interface.

But, if you mean to stream your collection from your house to your mobile. Most people don’t have the hardware or internet connection to make that feasible in a practical sense. I’ve set up a stream from my NAS to my phone and it was not a pleasant listening experience; and I have a fast connection and hardware.

This Sync functionality is already available in Plex Media Server, if you’re familiar with that

Plex is primarily a “Home Server” solution…with Video Libraries on a NAS etc.

But the Plex mobile app on Phones and Tablets allows for an easy Sync of Movies or TV SHows onto the Mobile device…allowing for mobile use when away from home…e.g. on holiday or on a plane etc., etc

I imagine that a future Roon mobile app will allow similar functionality

“Smart” Playlists within Roonserver itself could help with this greatly…as e.g. a User could set up several Smart Playlists based on certain criteria…and then simply Sync those Playlists to his mobile

An example of a Smart playlist would be all Albums or Tracks added in the last 60 days…which would mean that a User would not have to go to each new album and Sync that to his device

Another example of a Smart playlist might be “User Favourited” Jazz / Rock / Opera / Classical Tracks

Smart playlists like this on Roon would mean that a User would only have to manage e.g. 10 Sync Playlists to his mobile…rather than individually selecting say a thousand albums for Sync

Morning!

Is it possible to choose the Roon Core as the endpoint via the iOS remote app?
At the moment Roon Core runs on my Windows 10 laptop with no separate remote. There I have a list of endpoints (USB-attached DAC and an AppleTV in the living room (in the same intranet), and at some point in the future some network attached speakers distributed throughout the flat and/or chromcast audio).

Now would it be possible to select all these endpoint with the remote app, without me having to go the laptop and choosing them in Roon Core?

Yes, that is current functionality (Root meaning Core). Mike published a FAQ today setting it out in more detail:

https://community.roonlabs.com/t/which-zones-can-i-control-remotely/4009

Thanks @andybob. That feature somewhat compensates the IOS apps lack of being used as an endpoint.
Especially because - after doing some research - the IPad Air 2/Mini 4 just seem to provide the best over all tablet experience. There are Android tablets out there which excel in one specific area (like the Samsungs S2 screen) but lack in other areas (like horrible build in speakers in the Samsung).
The Apple devices just perform on a high level more consistently.

Amen to that! I am considering the iPad Pro, but the next iteration whenever that should be as my iPad Air 2 is just wonderful for the most part. Given the iPad Pro’s format, the roon remote app and roonSpeaker if at all possible should look gorgeous and hopefully sound decent if only for checking out new music, but not for critical listening, of course.

Good fortune with your choice(s) and outcomes. With roon there’s more to enjoy than meets the eyes (and ears). With iOS devices, the eyes have it! (smile).

Best,
Richard

So after reading all this I’m doubtful of meeting my goal which has been using an iPad or iPhone to access my tidal account via Roon and wifi it over to my chromecast audio device. I understand this is essentially using my iOS as an endpoint, which sounds like a current no go. However, if I’m only using the Roon as a better formatting program for something I already have streamed to that device than It wouldn’t seem to require the same processing power of a core computer. I can already use tidal directly from iPad to chromecast, so any chance of getting it via Roon without the ball and chain of another cpu?