Is the much lauded Opra dead?

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Not personal in the slightest. It was a question and directed to @mjw (who’s a moderator and can moderate me if he chooses)

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I don’t think @Dirk_De_Taey was responding to your comment about me. You also known that Roon uses MusicBrainz data, but is not responsible for its accuracy (or Wikipedia content for that matter.)

So, maybe it’s time to review and edit your post, given that you’re calling out someone who isn’t party to this discussion.

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Post edited :+1:

I do and I stand by my question about users money paid via subscription to Roon and what Roon does for this.

I also stand by my thoughts that Roon, who use data from open source, curated by volunteers (usually), should contribute back. Which is what @Jazzfan_NJ suggests.

Is this not the purpose of subscribing to Roon so that Roon matches available metadata to your local files so the user doesn’t have to? :man_shrugging:

A beneficiary by paying Roon :man_shrugging:

What’s being mentioned is like paying for a monthly bus pass, the bus company finds a free spare wheel and expects the customer to change the wheel when the bus has puncture.

One of the reasons I liked about Roon and the concept of paying them was so I don’t have to change the wheel.

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I am replying to you referring to Joel.

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I know and my reply was to your reply to my post, but let’s leave names out of this who aren’t in the discussion :wink:

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And, it does exactly this for the most part, using commercial and open metadata sources. So, what is your point? Or are you griefing?

Sorry, but the analogy is poppycock.

And, this is drifting way off topic.

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Okay so now there seems to be enough information on this thread to do a little summary.

Roon introduces Opra, updates to which are based on the open source Github headphone EQ repository

Many months later it does not appear that Opra is being updated (as promised)

Turns out that the lack of updates to Opra is being caused by nasty, selfish people (like yours truly) not contributing to the open source Github headphone EQ repository. Perhaps the reason that these nasty people balk contributing is that their labors end up being used by several for profit companies to help increase their profits. This logic also applies to open source metadata repositories.

Did I miss anything?

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:saluting_face: You hit the nail squarely on the head.

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So cynical! :slight_smile:

Here’s a complementary theory, which is really more of a “yes, and” than a standalone theory.

There can be an inflection point in a company’s life cycle in which it transitions from being customer-focused, technology and solution driven into being operated by marketing folks who focus on growth, brand awareness, and similar. Sometimes, these marketing folks turn out to be outstanding at product but often they confuse activity for progress and this can involve mistaking press releases for actual product evolution. When this happens, the product’s evolution is bursty, not incremental and iterative, and a trail of partial solutions is left as evidence that something happened.

Unfortunately, I think this is where Roon is now. It’s a marketing company. We’ll still see features come but they’ll mostly be about the press release or the partnership. The core value proposition of a phenomenal music management, discovery, and distribution system will see a little but, but not much, love. I’ll let you come to your own conclusion about where something like nugs fits into all of this.

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timely this should pop up - we’re readying an automated update to the db with some fun tools as well, the latter of which still need to be worked through but it makes opra even more fun to interact with off-platform…i won’t say anything about dates because i’ve seen how that goes :stuck_out_tongue:

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Nice to see you here, @Jeff_P! That’s good news about OPRA!!

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Well I’m happy to see that this got your attention and thank you for the update. Merry Christmas!

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Opra and Nugs gives us Opra’s gun (that’s nugs backwards) and that’s what a company uses to shoot themselves in the foot.

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not about attention, friend :wink:

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Though for MusicBrainz, they do actually contribute back (with money)!
From MetaBrainz Foundation’s Supporter page:

Harman International uses MusicBrainz data to augment metadata in user-supplied media files and streaming content as part of their Roon service.

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And where does it say that Harman International pays for the metadata?

Well to answer my own question:

Supporters
The following organizations make use of the data-sets published by MetaBrainz and are supporting us financially or through some other reciprocal agreement.

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Also they have prices page and for Unicorn tier, it’s $2000/mo or more. Though on their details page, it says $1500/mo or more.

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Thanks @YuiFunami for this info :+1:

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Great to see the update. Thanks.

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Thank you for the update but this highlights a key communications issue with Roon. We assume nothing is going on (no published roadmap) and just see stale abandoned products (ie Roon Radio), until the moment something is released to fix or improve them. Gives a bad impression, especially for new users.

Merry Christmas everyone. :santa_claus:

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