You can purify water and send it down a sterile pipe. The water you receive is purified and the pipe used to deliver said water has nothing to do with it. All it has to do is not contaminate the water.
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Nobody is saying that. Just because you are receiving what is being sent doesnât mean it sounds good (to your ears, on your system, in your room)âŠ
Exactly. Thatâs why itâs important that we DISTINGUISH between an "improvement of bit perfect transmission (= logically impossible) and âimprovements of sound qualityâ after bit perfect transmission (= possible).
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Youâve got the bit-perfect signal on one hand. Youâve got a powerful DSP toolset on the other hand, allowing you to shape your sound in any way you see fit to your personal needs.
What exactly do you expect from Roon? Unless you come up with an objectifiable definition of what you mean by âsound qualityâ â discussion on how it could be improved is, while amusing, moot.
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All I ask is a Bit Perfect signal path. Any alterations will be down to me or the equipment I choose to use.
RAAT delivers this already. No change required
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Itâs a waste of time trying to argue with some one who obviously does not read and does not try to understand.
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So weâre pretty much back where we were yesterday with this discussion. What improvements do you suggest Roon need to implement with respect to DSP?
Maybe - who am I to say that it canât? But if I was in Roonâs development team I would want to know: what is the objective test case I can use to confirm that I have âimproved the DSPâ? In other words, as others (and I) have already suggested: you need to be specific about what exactly your proposed improvement consists of. Otherwise it seems you are just asking for things to be âbetterâ in some completely undefined way, which is â frankly â pointless.
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Of course people can use DSP if they wish, thatâs the point⊠They chooses to use DSP and the result is delivered Bit Perfect by RAAT.
You fail to understand that Roon sound quality and Bit Perfect delivery are completely un related.
I expect mastering engineers to deliver sound quality in their release of the music and Roon to deliver this to me in a Bit Perfect way via RAAT, which they do.
If you want to tweak the sound to suit your preference, then you can, in Roon or HQ Player as you like. What more can Roon do?
What if, they alter the sound and you donât like it?
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No! Nobody has to PROVE this absolutely nonsensical claim, because nobody here MADE it. Please reply to what people are actually saying!
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OK, two things.
First, your initial point is a logical impossibility, but again, what improvements would you suggest?
Second, why do you keep insisting on conflating sound quality and bit perfect transmission? Bit perfect transport is one thing, sound quality is something else, but the latter requires the former - thereâs no point in changing the sound (or âimprovingâ it, if you insist) if it canât be delivered to your DAC in a bit perfect way.
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There is no bit perfect clan. You still donât undestand a single thing of what bit perfect means and where it is of value. You keep confusing manipulation and transportation. Bit perfect is ONLY about the transport. Even after you have manipulated your audio with upsampling, stereo-widening, detail enhancement or whatever it is you wish to âimproveâ your audio quality youâll still want it to be TRANSPORTED bit perfect donât you. You want your manipulated audio to be received in the same way you have manipulated it without something underway that manipulates it again and âdegradesâ it. Stop mixing things up. Stop talking about bit perfect as if it is a holy grail, a marketing trick or whatever you obviously still think it is. It is none of all that, that only exeists in your head. Nobody is arguing against the usage of dsp here, nobody.
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You provided two quotations, but the thing is the people you quoted did NOT confuse digital transmission with SQ manipulation. They did NOT claim the latter was impossible. In fact, NOBODY is claiming that here. Thereâs no âbit perfect campâ in the sense youâre suggesting. Please reply to what people are actually saying.
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Well, network engineers did, and probably continue to do so, but youâre right, bit perfect transport isnât new and is very well understood and well-managed in pretty much every network youâll ever come across. So letâs forget about the bit perfect side of things.
To wrap up then, do you have any actual suggestions regarding sound quality improvements? Something you think Roon could do better? Something they could implement that they currently donât provide? Some deficit in your current system that you think Roon could rectify?
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Than why are you so stubbornly keep mixing things up and bringing it back into the discussion with arguments that have nothing to do with it?
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This thread is so surreal, it can only be a Social Experiment
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As has been mentioned - quite a few times now - nobody said this. You may have âheardâ it, but nobody said it.
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Some thoughts out of my experience regarding squeezelit - squeezebox server - roon.
I own SOtM sms-200 (officially Roon endpoint) and also LMS + squeezelite exists onboard. As of sms-200âs actual firmware rev. 5.1 configuration, running squeezelite w/o LMS now is supported â> absolutely increased SQ. Comparing this setup to sms-200âs Roon Endpoint mode I also have to say better SQ for squeezelite only mode.
My setup:
Enabled Roonâs Squeezebox Streaming via LMS Service switched to On, now Squeezebox Touch display and remote Controls the sms-200 as remote player, while the Squeezebox Touchâs sound output stays disconnected).
So for m a great solution:
- improved SQ
- Squeezebox Touch offering nice display and remote
- Roonâs playback software feature available (maybe DSD is limited)
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