Yeah. I guess hires is kind of esoteric for the punters. I wanted to believe it is a premium product, but on my system even lossy is perfectly adequate (thought I do manage the bit rate).
Tidal aside, my fear is for HDTracks, where up until last year I enjoyed buying from. I’m just depressed now… the penny over time has dropped that the music business can’t compete. The artists are hurting with all this, but that battle probably was lost years ago.
I don’t think the likes of Amazon and Apple actually care, they’re in it for the moment / money, they can squeeze the market and rinse whatever they can out of it, they have many profitable interests elsewhere.
Gotcha, but I don’t think it’s just big tech. They are giving the punters what they want, which is a licensed buffet.
I mean to be kind, but just accepting all you can stream for $10.99 will destroy a legitimate digital music business. The labels think $10 an album is competitive, and they aren’t reading the room.
Of course people buy physical, and that’s great, but a good whack of that must be categorised as merch.
They do not even mention Tidal and Qobuz. You find them under others. Tidal has 5’000’000 users. Qobuz has 200’000.
The big majority of all people listen to music for free. In 2022 2bn users listen to YouTube Music. Mostly free.
Roon used to cheaper than it is now as were a lot of services - soooo
Take what discount you can while you can but moaning that a company no longer offers that discount is to me churlish , you have had that discount in the past just be thankful .
It would seem from another post that the new rate is less than the military current rate - how are you losing ??? .
Apple is still a PIA to run through my system, I have no desire to have a battery driven tablet as an integral part of my Hi Fi chain my chosen streamer/amp has no USB in , why should it’s a streamer so I would also need a piece of hardware.( Same goes for Amazon & Google)
Roll on Apple Connect , may be interested then
From the posts above, the new rate is less than the discounted HiFi Plus rate. However, those that are currently on the discounted HiFi tier will lose their discount and thus pay more. For some of those on the HiFi Tier with the veterans discount, adding something (HiRes content) that they don’t necessarily want, may not be considered an adequate compensation for the increased cost.
Didn’t see that , that said $11 is hardly a lot even at our exchange rates , we all pay $13 for Roon which provides no content
A post was split to a new topic: Which service do you think understands your musical taste
No argument here on that score.
But, for the time being, whilst my youngsters are still at home, I am paying ~£6/month (1/3 share of a family subscription) so that is even better value. However, I will have no grounds for complaint when (hopefully) they move out and I have to pay £10.99 for an individual subscription.
I’ve conceded that I was looking for motivation to cancel them and taking away the first responder and military discount pushed me over the edge. But since you felt the need to insult me (as though you have some personal stake in Tidal or that I’m insulting your choice to keep it) I feel compelled to respond once again. The net price is not really my point.
So let’s start with expectations. I have none. I served and I’m proud to have served. I love my country and have no regrets that I signed the dotted line and served. That said, there are companies out there that offer discounts through services like ID.ME whereby the prices for their goods/services are actually discounted. It’s not expected but when a company offers the discount, its nice. Then there are companies that use faux discounts to market to first responders and vets, but in reality there is no discount. I find these companies to be even worse than those that don’t offer anything at all (but yet, their CEO drives around with a yellow ribbon sticker on their bumper or blue-line flag for police). So personally, I’d rather they not offer anything at all. Instead, what Tidal just said to first responders and the military is that - you’re not so special after all. So it’s disappointing to see them reduce our status from “thank you for your service” to “you can pay what everyone else pays.”
It’s the principal of it, not the actual math.
I did not serve but I understand this. I have credit cards, a mobile plan, and various memberships that qualify me for discounts and benefits. Those offers come and go and I accept that. Military discounts are different. To those that served, they are heard as recognition of service from the company. Service is sacrifice and I will never, ever remotely understand the depth of sacrifice that entails for many who serve and served. When a company says, “we understand this,” that’s meaningful. When they stop saying it, that’s meaningful. It’s not up to those of us who didn’t serve (or frankly even those who did) to tell someone how they should feel about that.
@Thomas_Strade didn’t need me to say any of this - he already made the point very clearly. I wanted to say, though, that I understand where he’s coming from.
This new pricing is great news in my book. I hope the quality of the offering doesn’t decline as a result.
In how many countries does TIDAL offer a discount if you have been in the military or are a first responder ?
They don’t offer it in my country (Denmark).
I think it’s mostly an American phenomenon.
Same here in the UK, I know Tidal is largely US owned but also is Norwegian owned, but what percentage I do not know.
I say this respectfully, I have served my countries military, I was also a first responder for 9 years, I have never had a discount for anything, I don’t remember one ever being offered to me.
It’s not really our culture.
In Denmark, there is conscription when you turn 18, but not everyone is called up
In 2022 2bn users listen to YouTube Music. Mostly free.
Thanks for the resource.
Same article suggests 616m are paying subscribers. In very broad strokes a plurality of a third or so may pay ~ $12 a month to hold the industry up. Before digital disruption they may have paid $30 (based on one plausible methodology).
That presumably is the lot of the business: accepting that their market will perpetually be less.
Of course there are no shortage of influencers that want to wind back the clock and get engaged listeners back into physical. It’s an open question whether there will be enough of them that buy into this. They need be blind to the fact they’re actually paying for quite the number of freeloaders.
edit if anybody is interested, inputs were 40 daily streams with a $0.99 track/$10 album of ten tracks “buying” 100 streams per track *
edit 2 I add ~ 25 unique tracks per month to my library, and like everybody have only limited time, so the more I add, the less likely I’m to stream that track the full 100 times. The $30-figure may be a slight fudge, as it’s based on my own consumption. But my point is that either streaming is too cheap or buying is too expensive, given the very long tail provided by streaming.
edit 3 I’m being pedantic and probably a bore, but the less the per-stream rate, the more competitive buying is relative to streaming. 200-per-download may be more realistic, and 250 would be parity. If you’ve made it this far, I salute you!
Just switched back from Qobuz (my yearly subscription would have been renewed in 3 days) to Tidal.
10,99€ (Germany) plus FLAC instead of MQA is convincing.
I got the mail announcing the new service just now. In Switzerland I pay CHF 13.90(£12.40, €14.50) per month for the service.
