Treatment of artists by streaming services

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Many thanks for sharing that. It did dawn on me that someone must have thought of this already. The idea of armies of “Biberbots” not listening to endless playlists makes me shudder, it’s worse than Skynet :wink:

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Precisely. If I stream nothing but The Flower Kings, 100% of my subscription - after the streaming company’s cut - should go to The Flower Kings. Unfortunately, under the current model, most of my subscription goes to the most streamed artists, who I don’t listen to!

Deezer is currently the only major streaming service pushing for a User-Centric Payment model. It would be great if they succeed.

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How would this help the smaller independent artists who aren’t ‘popular’? I imagine that 80% of all streaming covers the top 10-20% of musicians at best.

Probably 20% if Pareto’s Principle holds, always a good estimation starting point.

I doubt it does since popular music is fickle.

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Sturgeon’s Law is perhaps more applicable.

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That’s a new one on me but I like it and will use it some.

I remember seeing Peter Buck, the guitarist for REM, being interviewed in the late 80s and being asked what he thought about Rap music. To my surprise he quoted what was (unbeknownst to me at the time) Sturgeon’s Law and said that Rap was like everything else and that 90% of it was crap.

However, it also means that 10% of any genre is worth seeking out and those words guided my musical journey ever since.

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Overall, a User-Centric allocation would (re)distribute revenue shares downwards relative to the current “Big Pool” allocation. Whether that would benefit some particular obscure artist is not obvious. But (according to the only detailed study I’ve seen on the topic), the share of revenues going to the top 0.4% of artists would drop from 9.9% to 5.6%. That’s a big chunk of money …

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Interesting read… the streaming model isn’t sustainable, neither is the subscription model, but I suppose it’s something we’ll have to live through until the big next idea. In the meantime, Bandcamp!

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Bandcamp integration with purchase ability would be my number one feature request. IMHO there’s a moral imperative there.

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Has this streaming royalty calculator been posted yet?

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With such low prices, it’s interesting to see how artists and writers will be paid for their work now and going forward, the outlook is even worse.
I understand the lure of cheaper services but cheap does not equate to value in my book. I am already coming across artists who are questioning how they will fund their next album and the general devaluation of music is hitting sales of music after gigs (when they return). People won’t buy CD’s and often can’t afford vinyl. Creating and taking vinyl on tour for a smaller artists is an almost impossible commitment financially and logistically.

You have heard the saying, A musician has £10,000 of equipment in a £500.00 vehicle…

I urge people to buy physical media from artists and pay more for streaming to services that pay artists at the upper end of the scale. Let’s hope artist remuneration improves as the streaming model shakes out. Believe it or not, these are early days in the world of streaming and the new artists are being choked out.

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If there’s real numbers to tell me that Tidal is better by volume and with percentages to artists than say, Amazon HD, I’m happy to consider. As a rule if I am interested in a particular album I always purchase it via iTunes. Often for the selfish reason that download allows me to plug it into other programs and slow it down and learn bits of it.

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I don’t really care where the music data is stored; as a download or rip on my NUC or somewhere in the cloud (Qobuz streaming). Buying albums to support artists is a noble thing to do, but kind of tedious (downloading/ripping and transferring the data to local storage). Sound quality should be about the same local storage vs streaming. So why not have a button in Roon: Support artist with 5/10/15€. You could continue streaming the music but you could support the artist directly (Roon gets 1-5%??). Maybe this is a feature request?

Isn’t that what Tidal is doing now with their premium subscription, paying more $ to the artists you stream? What they refer to as Fan-Centered Royalties.

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