Vanishing (unavailable) albums in Qobuz, same with Tidal?

Thanks, I’ve voted. This is an increasingly frequent issue for me lately. Nothing more annoying than when a visitor tries to play tracks in my library and they are no longer available even though they really are still available in Qobuz.

I myself have reached the point where I now replace the qobuz album with the tidal album when this happens again. With tidal this almost never happens.

But when it does, I don’t think you get any notification such as tracks being unavailable as with Qobuz. The album simply disappears…

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I haven’t used Tidal, but from the sound of it I prefer Qobuz’ approach where I can at least see what used to be there. Then I can try and track it down by other means.
Also with Qobuz I have the option to buy albums or tracks so then I can keep them no matter what happens to streaming rights - it’s one of the reasons I prefer it as a service.

But you don’t have to have an active subscription to buy albums or tracks from Qobuz. Of course, if you don’t have a subscription, you won’t enjoy the discounts associated with a Sublime subscription if that is what you currently have, but the albums/tracks are still available to purchase.

Having said that, I also prefer the Qobuz approach to Tidal’s disappearing albums.

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But then you won’t even know if they disappear from Tidal. Short of comparing album lists out of Roon on a weekly basis or something. Which the Qobuz system means you don’t have to do.

This stuff generally disappears from all streaming services when it goes - it’s not that it hasn’t gone from Tidal, it’s just that you won’t be told about it.

I have the same problem!

I am glad at least I have a couple of tools in Roon to allow me to find missing tracks (Playlist Improvements) and Tracks >Focus>Tags> -Available…this at least helps me be proactive in staying on top of it. :neutral_face:

Can you point me to the available unavailable focus. Thanks

As posted by @Geoff_Coupe further up, see here:

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Yeah I was looking in album focus. Found it in tracks. Thanks.

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Qobuz made a lot of replacements in February, but I am happy to see that in March so far not a single Qobuz track has become unavailable in my library.

Same, and several February ones where I didn’t really care to replace them yet appear to have come back or else been replaced with similar.

As I missed some songs I was looking, and again there are about 67 Qobuz albums unavailable and replaced with the same version. Now I would have to replace them manually in Roon, with tagging, favorite tracks, banned tracks. As well the playcount is lost and can’t be restored.

This is so frustrating! Like others I believe that this could be fixed with working on it with the streaming services. But I fear, that will never be done. :roll_eyes:

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Yep, I have 9,000 Qobuz albums and 200 of them became unavailable this past week. This is the reality of streaming music. edit: looks like from the old posts in this merged thread that similar happened last February, maybe that’s Qobuz Licensing Time.

I would like to see the replacement eventually being done automatically as long as it’s done correctly or user confirmed (Apple Music does it incorrectly meaning the library deteriorates, you have multiple fragments of albums and you have songs you’ve never heard in your favourites).

Metadata disappearing even when user does it all manually is crazy.

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I see that you’ve already voted for the relevant Feature Suggestion. Hopefully others reading this thread will do the same.

I just got my Qobuz unavailable tracks down to <1,000 (of 100,000 Qobuz tracks) and then it started populating before my eyes again, moving back to >2,500 (so another ~150 missing albums including several full artist catalogues) in 10 minutes. And it’s still increasing as I write. Edit: the morning after, it’s 2,808 which is an extra 200 missing albums since last night.

I must wait until it stabilises as I cannot keep up with it anymore. It’s most dispiriting. Almost all of these albums can be replaced with an identical version on same Qobuz service but it takes so long to do this in Roon (far quicker, once they’re identified, to do them all in Qobuz app and fix wrongly disappearing genre tags later)

Roon was supposed to help me buy fewer CDs, but (through no fault of its own that I can tell) it’s shining a light on streaming music that is starting to make me consider giving up on streaming altogether and just build a bigger local library.

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As if to make this more odd, having now manually added licenced versions of almost all of those tracks, another release (the single Voyager by progressive death metal band Symbyosis) disappeared from the “unavailable” filter overnight. But not only that, it appeared as my latest added album/release, all by itself. Referring to the Qobuz app, I can confirm that Voyager was not added recently by myself by any mechanism - unlike my recent manual replacements, it is not listed in Qobuz as a recent add but is listed under the original old addition. So it seems the replacement happened when the original content under same ID became available again. It DID lose my genre tags as usual (but showing up as a newly added release meant it was visible and manageable).

Overview of all this: ~5% of my Qobuz content (~5,000 out of 100,000 tracks so a pretty fair general indication) became unavailable and had to be removed, added and tagged again. Same happened last February. It’s a lot. It included the entire catalogues of Bryan Ferry, Duran Duran, Emerson Lake & Palmer, Freedom Call, Gryphon, The Kinks, Motorhead, Amon Duul II, Anvil, Axel Rudi Pell, Atomic Rooster, Gary Moore, George Harrison, Ministry, Nazareth, Nick Cave, Peter Green, Raven, Running Wild, Sodom, Sparks, Super Furry Animals, Thunder, Uriah Heep, Venom and W.A.S.P.

I sure would like to know if there’s a common thread among those artists, are they all with the same major label perhaps?

I should reiterate that this is a Qobuz problem, and would be a bigger problem in my Qobuz library were I not using Roon to identify the lost content. I only have 110 Tidal albums (which are stuff that isn’t on Qobuz) and nothing has changed in February with those (one of them is entirely unavailable tracks - Volcano by Satyricon - and isn’t on any streaming service, but it hasn’t disappeared or anything, which is what I’m wary of), and I’m wondering whether to use soundiiz/similar to switch all the Qobuz content onto Tidal.

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I had several Kinks albums go missing from Qobuz. They are probably still there; I just haven’t had time to find and re-add them. Pain in the caboose though.

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A very interesting information where we are back at my initial question, which was not asked the right way as I guess now.

Vanishing albums from streaming services cause of intervention from musicians or labels are a sad thing when curating a music library for what I use Roon, and which it is made for. But just replacing albums with another same version, so that every personal information ist lost is another thing, and that is obvious the main problem here, it is I would say >95% of “vanishing” albums in Qobuz. Was just looking, again some albums are replaced since my last 6 hours work to add the “new” versions, favourites from Marcus Miller, Pat Metheny, Afro Cuban All Stars, just to mention some.

So the question of this thread should rather be, if Tidal does this odd replacements too?

If not, I have still the strong opinion, that Roon, now even part of the big Harman company, could fix this problem with Qobuz, one of their only three supported streaming services, which is not as big to ignore Roon I believe. But it does not look like Roon makes actions in this case, which is astonishing for a music library solution.

I would appreciate it much, if those having experience with Tidal could tell, if that replacement quirks are there too. If not, I will do the same, get a Tidal subscription, transfer Qobuz to Tidal with Soundiiz, and cancel Qobuz.

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