Why do NAS' Struggle with Roon?

If you had a nucleus or another dedicated box running Roon core with an internal ssd storing your music files and backup your music to your NAS all of the same advantages you claim would still exist and you’d have a better setup for Roon core.

You can also use cloud sync on your synology to automatically backup your music and other media files offsite to outside cloud storage too.

I assume if you are syncing your music library to and from your NAS and laptop that your library is perhaps not large, maybe not even medium sized. A smaller library and roon on a NAS is not probably going to be an option.

“Better Setup?” – there are no performance issues, even with multiple (2-3) simultaneous users. Having a “dedicated” Roon box would just be more complicated … a solution looking for a problems that don’t exist. If NAS issues are common, I don’t see them; but perhaps its the fact that my Roon core runs on a high-quality external SSD.

Library Size: I don’t know what constitutes S/M/L, but library is aprox 25k tracks, .7TB, mostly ALAC.

This is small, mine is 10x that and still I would think it’s med-large, large You can consider to be over 300k I think. There is a post somewhere about what is what, maybe someone can find it.

NAS’ do not struggle if spec’d and built accordingly. I have been running rooncore on my QNAP TS 251+ for 3 years now. I take USB directly out to a DAC.

This is my roonserver spec/build:

QNAP TS-251+8GB RAM & 2x 2TB SanDisk Ultra 3D SSD’s
Network swtich: Netgear ProSafe GS105 5-port Gigabit Switch
Teddy Pardo Dual 12v/3a LPSU (modified/upgraded) powering both the above.
Network cables: Lindy Cromo CAT6

Dropping this into the discussion:

Just out of curiosity, someone tried iSCSI on their NAS and attaching this from a separate Roon Core?

Dear Phillips,
you have the same NAS I have and it runs meanwhile very well.
What I have done ist:

  • Roon Folder is on a separate SSD Drive (where the Roon database is built)
  • I use as fast cache a further SSD Drive for Reading the Volume where all my song files are located
    That works now fine for about a year without any drop outs and even for DSD files

Agree. I have a completely different setup than Rajaish, but it is spec’d properly and performs flawlessly. No “struggling.”

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Never seen any issues related to “real-time file watching.” Both Plex and Roon are pretty good at that, with Roon being a bit faster to update. (BlueOS however, is not good at it, but that’s because my library is on a NAS, its because BlueOS must be manually prodded.)

Comparing a NAS to a “local disk” is weird (read “not useful”), because if you’re relying on a “local disk,” then you’re not really getting one of the biggest advantages of the Roon ecosystem, which is library accessibility from a wide variety of nodes (aka, distributed audio). For example in my house, Roon nodes include: Marantz receiver, ELAC powered speaker, iMac, iPhone, laptop, BluSound Node, Sonos Soundbar, Sony TV, Focusrite Clarett A/D, Apple TV and Chromecast.

except, to be clear, and maybe I’m misreading your response, one can have a “local disk” (e.g., a USB drive connected directly to the Roon Server on a NUC or Nucleus, etc.) and then many different endpoints that are being fed from that Roon Server with “local disk” attached. NAS vs Local Disk has nothing to do with having multiple endpoints (i.e., distributed audio).

I have a 4TB USB local drive connected to a NUC running ROCK and can stream music to multiple endpoints in my home, either synchronized or different music to different endpoints.

I will drop this into the discussion:

https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B07JQ2F2WG/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_asin_title_o04_s00

Yeah, that’s a 7.68 TB SSD for $850. I have one in an external USB-C enclosure, connected to my Mac Mini, to hold my movie collection. The write performance is similar to a good HDD, but the read performance is SSD-caliber, which is what matters for Roon.

I don’t care how large your collection is, this should hold it and will be FAST and QUIET. Rest in peace, network attached storage.

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I am not sure what you mean by this comment. The music from the NAS never goes straight to the end point, it is always streamed first to the Roon Core and then back out again to the endpoints. That is why local storage to the Core is, imho, the best option. Fast response, lower network traffic, and less points of failure in the audio chain.

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I agree with buying a dedicated server on which to run the Roon Core. But, I don’t think the Nucleus is the best value and would never consider buying one for myself.

I much prefer the sonicTransporter line if you are looking for an appliance.

If you are computer savvy and don’t mind managing the OS and Roon Core, build your own server and run Linux, Windows, or macOS. You can build this on something as inexpensive as a NUC running ROCK or go all out and build something with HQPlayer.

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You forgot about Roon ROCK on many models of NUC that will be an option too if you are a bit PC hardware savvy.

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No, I did not. Maybe you should read the last sentence of my post…which has not been edited in any way.

But the Nucleus provides a truly ‘turnkey’ solution. This is what drew me to it in the first place.

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That’s all personal perspective, while I appreciate ROCKs utility it wasn’t for me. Rather than:

Without SSH access and the ability to partition my M2 drive, I was left feeling I’d been locked out of my own house.

The best thing about Roon is there’s plenty of install choices meaning the user base is a pretty broad church. From tech-savvy tinkerers to just install and enjoy folk.

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Ok ya got me…my bad…old age got me too

Hello.
As in the articles below, Roon is needed a lot of high specifications and a lot of things to care about, and it requires a high cost.
It is not solved at high cost, but there is something that comes with it.
In my case, what you said, SSD, linear power, wifi-hub, Roon nucleus, and lifetime subscriptions cost about $4,000 or more, but I’m not satisfied. It’s not a perfect program.
Still, some people say “It’s uncomfortable because you don’t know Roon very well.”
I’ve been starting and paying for it too, but it’s also a good choice not to choose ROON. There are many ways to enjoy music other than Roon.