Roon does not compete with Amazon Music. At least they wouldn’t be if they had support for it.
Roon would make Amazon Music better and having Amazon Music would make Roon better.
Of course they do. You can pay for Amazon music and use their music player and stream from them or you can pay for Roon and use their music player with your local files or stream from Tidal and Qobuz.
Yes, they are not the exact same product, but they are definitely competitors. For most of us, it’s either Amazon Music or Roon, but not both.
EDIT: I would prefer 6 months of spring and 6 months of fall with no summer or winter. Not gonna happen. Tidal is replacing MQA with high resolution flac, but the remaining MQA is definitely not junk.
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I would prefer Roon to stream Amazon instead of Tidal. I still get way too much MQA junk on Tidal.
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It seems to me that Tidal has replaced most of the hi-res music with FLAC. However a lot of the CD quality FLAC is still in MQA. I’m ok with that though as Qobuz is my primary streaming service.
I’ve trialed Amazon Music in the past. But I wasn’t too impressed with it. Its app was not that great and apart from BluOS having support for it. My Cambridge’s StreamMagic app does not.
So I could use Amazon natively on my Node X but not on my CXN V2.
How many explanations are needed , you are a developer so the detail is not lost.
For Roon to support and do it’s full magic with Amazon (Apple , Google Spotify) requires the supplier to open up their databases to a third party , and more so to have a third party have access to their streaming statistics, presumably fed back to the supplier. Exposing a player API as in some hardware set ups is simply not enough for Roon’s particular Magic
AFAIK Roon have tried and got the proverbial blank wall , the Big 4 are in the streaming game for the data they can collect and the hardware they can sell . They will not “give away” competitive advantage.
Keeping bleating on about it will not change the situation unless you bleat at the supplier and they decide to let Roon in. As far as we have been told, Roon have tried and failed , but have certainly expressed the desire (in the past) to do all 3 if and when.
Whether the Samsung / Harman family connection is good or bad , who knows , maybe Amazon see it as letting Samsung into their data , that I suspect they will see that as a bad thing .
Rant Over.
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If Roon is just an extension of web search, for you, then I agree it’s not really worth it. It does a lot lot lot more than that for me. Enjoy your Amazon.
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Since Roon added folder view, it is worth the price just for playing back my ripped CD collection so I will be keeping Roon just for that.
I just canceled Tidal again because I keep getting lossy MQA crap for what is supposed to be 16/44.1 albums. I will not pay them if they do not provide a way to completely avoid MQA.
I have a one year subscription to Qobuz, but will be canceling it when the one year sub is up. I never use Qobuz outside of Roon since they don’t have any kind of connect option.
Roon with Amazon Music and/or Spotify support would be the perfect setup for me.
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Lossy Spotify is better than lossy MQA?
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Can you tell every time without looking? I’m damned if I can.
Tidal as far as I know will be removing all MQA and replacing with conventional FLAC files, hi re may be . This transition has been announced but obviously will take time to accomplish , if they just dump MQA someone may complain about 10% of their library being unavailable
Yes. Spotify never claimed to be lossless. MQA was a scam that was claimed to be lossless and better. It was neither. I won’t support anything they do.
Eversolo is Android it uses the native Android apps it’s not integrated at all in the same way Roon operates.
Amazon offer two APIs one really crappy one that is what you get on Bluesound and other systems it has limited interactions and what you can do. The other requires your device to work like an Alexa. Wiim use the latter to get into their devices.
Roon is also software not hardware so the Alexa option is off the menu.
Also as has been discussed already at length Roon require me far more than api access it requires the supplies to give them a database dump of their entire catalogue several times a week. Roon hosts the databases for Qobuz, Tidal and kkbox. You don’t search or connect to their own databases like basic api does. This allows Roon to do what it does in mixing streaming and local into one unified library as allow the user to edit the metadata when they are.
Amazon not keen to share this.
funny, when I’m listening to roon radio and I find myself thinking “wow, that sounds pretty good” invariably, it’s in MQA.
and sometimes you get an origami surprise.
Pretty sure Nucleus is both hardware and software
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Nucleus is not Roon. We pay monthly, annually, or lifetime for Roon, not a Roon Nucleus. A Nucleus cannot play Amazon Music because a Nucleus runs the Roon SOFTWARE. It could play Amazon Music if you installed Windows on it.
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No. The Nucleus is just the hardware. It is no different compared to any computer running the Roon Server software.
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While I wait for Roon certification of my Eversolo DMP-A8 I’ve accepted a period free subscription for Amazon Music and use the Eversolo app for Amazon Music. Its nice, but I ultimately will not pay for it. Which leads me to query, where is the DMP-A8 certification?
There’s no guarantee there will be one is there?
Amazon Music has > 80m users, Roon has around 100k, many of whom are likely to be Amazon Prime and/or Music customers already.
So why would Amazon invest even the smallest amount to support Roon?
What would they gain except a nod from an underground community (sorry to call us that, but from Amazon’s perspective we are)?
For Tidal and Qobuz, who have audio quality as a selling point, it makes sense to cooperate with Roon. For Amazon, who is catering to a much larger audience at a smaller price and not as their key business, it does not.
So unless Samsung/Harman blow Roon out of proportion by making it a centerpiece of their consumer electronic devices, Amazon Music and Roon won’t be married.
It’s unclear how you arrived at this number, but my feeling is that it is significantly more than this. It was reported to be around 300k two years ago.