Apple Music integration (with new Apple Music Web-API?)

[occasionallyhere]

I was just speculating, obviously each has his own motivation do do one way or another. In my case for example, I’m not interested in Tidal, [moderated] but I’ll be interested to a cheaper alternative to Qobuz with the same SQ and the same or very close content, because well, $14 doesn’t sound as much (for the moment) but then again, Qobuz $14, photography site $14, cloud storage $14 and so on, you know, the expenses they are always find a way to keep growing…

[Victor_O_Brien]

They are using these services to cut out competition by offering them at a loss. There is a competition between Apple, Amazon and Google to own as much of our experience and data as possible and become the ecosystem for our lives.

[occasionallyhere]

@Charles_Peterson

They will only be gone because consumers make them gone, not because of anything that Apple, Spotify or other monolithic corporations do. Vote with you wallet as the saying goes. But certainly bow down to the corporate overlords if one must (and FTR I have a household of Apple hardware, but no Apple subs - they’ve gotten enough of my $ imo).

I believe as roon user point of view it doesn’t mater why a roon supported streaming service goes down, what it will be always nice to have is alternatives. But then again, the way roon is acting lately they may go bye bye way before Tidal or Qobuz…

[anon90297517]

I honestlydo not understand why you put a music service such as Qobuz, on a same level as a cloud storage.
Cloud storage is offering nothing that you do not have already. maybe not so convenient but you have 4TB and up portable discs
Qobuz offers you access and use to a hugh number of albums, created by artists that love to get some reward for their work.
Going to the movies, going to a bar to have some drinks, it is all more expensive than Qobuz’ monthly fee.

I have more than 2300 cd’s, nicely ripped in my local library, so I probably can do without Qobuz .
However I do like and use their service and happy pay for it. And still buying digital downloads of albums I really like.

Dirk

[Charles_Peterson]

@occasionallyhere

Qobuz $14, photography site $14, cloud storage $14 and so on, you know, the expenses they are always find a way to keep growing…

Hey, I hear you and in the same boat (as most of us are). I was just prodding my 12 year old yesterday if he really needs that $8/month sub to an anime channel (according to him yes).

I’m mostly just playing devil’s advocate here as I know people will do what they do. But some of the mental gymnastics going on around here about Roon and integration with Apple/Spotify/Amazon would make Simone Biles blush.

[miguelito (Miguel Barrio)]

@Charles_Peterson

And there’s your answer right there. Whats’ wrong with you and everyone else here sticking to Qobuz (or Tidal)? Or is it just a desire to chase after the shiniest new thing, no matter the consequences?

I don’t think anyone is sticking it to Tidal or Qobuz here. My main concern is that both of these platforms might disappear now that Apple and Spotify (soon) are lossless/hires. If they do, my use of Roon will be very limited.

[occasionallyhere]

@anon90297517

I honestlydo not understand why you put a music service such as Qobuz, on a same level as a cloud storage.
Cloud storage is offering nothing that you do not have already. maybe not so convenient but you have 4TB and up portable discs
Qobuz offers you access and use to a hugh number of albums, created by artists that love to get some reward for their work.
Going to the movies, going to a bar to have some drinks, it is all more expensive than Qobuz’ monthly fee.

I was trying (unsuccessfully ) to make a point. If you take each expense on it’s own, then yes, you’re right, they don’t seem to much. But when you add them at the end of the month you’ll see that’s something else (at least in my case). So having cheaper alternatives (including a cheaper Qobuz) it’s something that makes sense (to me at least).

[Charles_Peterson]

Exactly. For pretty much the cost of a new cd/month (or just the A-side of a new vinyl LP) we have access to millions of titles, pretty much on the backs of the artists themselves. Spoiled much we are?

[miguelito (Miguel Barrio)]

@Victor_O_Brien

It’s the cost right now. Roon and Tidal is a lot more expensive than Apple Music. This is particularly important for primarily streamers.

And this is why I fear for Tidal/Qobuz… If you’re a streamer only I find it pretty compelling to stick to Apple, for 1/2 the price no less. There’s a bunch of the Tidal and Qobuz crowd that would switch immediately.

[BeeKay (Bernd)]

If Apple fixes AirPlay watch this space. Many streamers will be gone. Foremost those already invested in their ecosystem. Why? Because it makes sense.

[miguelito (Miguel Barrio)]

@Charles_Peterson

If Roon is so expensive, then why are you here?

I care about the Roon experience. Not so much about the price (actually I am a lifetime subscriber since July 2015). If Tidal and Qobuz go away Roon will be a doorstop for me, by and large. So I care about the integration with services that will never go away like Apple Music.

[Charles_Peterson]

Sure. But if you’re a streamer only, and don’t care about the metadata connections and multi-zone experience that Roon brings, then why did they feel compelled to use Roon at all? Plenty of free or inexpensive server options out there that use DLNA or UpNp that one can port Qobuz or Tidal through.

EDIT: this isn’t directed at you specifically but a general question to your statement.

[occasionallyhere]

@Victor_O_Brien

They are using these services to cut out competition by offering them at a loss. There is a competition between Apple, Amazon and Google to own as much of our experience and data as possible and become the ecosystem for our lives.

The comic-tragedy of this (which I also believe it to be true) is that none of the above mentioned names know or care about what hires music is and how needs to be done, hence why airplay, cromecast and “super hd” are what they are…

[Charles_Peterson]

I’m a lifer as well, and last year got a good deal on a Roon only Sonore opticalRendu, so definitely invested in seeing Roon and Qobuz stick around (though I’m sure Sonore could upgrade it if need be if the worse happens). The schadenfreude around all this isn’t helpful though.

[anon90297517]

Strange that we all want things as cheap as possivle, even free if possible.
Except for our salary at the end if the month
Dirk

[Simon_Arnold3 (Simon Arnold)]

Also I find that Audiophiles are happy to spend lots of money on kit but when it comes to software or services it seems they want to penny pinch.

[BeeKay (Bernd)]

Nope. I would pay as much for AM as now for Roon + Tidal. The killer is - I don’t have to. This house is almost all Apple. Because it works, it’s integrated, it respects privacy. Keep it simple is key. Reduce the number of participants. Roon gives mit bit perfect transfer, lots of headache with low quality software at a fairly high price. Not to forget the service mostly done by enthusiasts.

Apple is well curated and offers good background info too.

The moment AirPlay works fine re bit perfect hires, Roon is toast for me. Until then I keep running a nice concept that crashes on my iPhone all too often. With no fix for yrs.

[miguelito (Miguel Barrio)]

@Charles_Peterson

Sure. But if you’re a streamer only, and don’t care about the metadata connections and multi-zone experience that Roon brings, then why did they feel compelled to use Roon at all?

I have to say if I were a streamer only, using only one streaming platform, and didn’t care about the metadata, then I would not bother with Roon at all.

I am a subscriber to both Tidal and Qobuz since they each started streaming. I also subscribe to Spotify (family plan) and get Apple Music for free from my cell plan.

[miguelito (Miguel Barrio)]

@occasionallyhere

The comic-tragedy of this (which I also believe it to be true) is that none of the above mentioned names know or care about what hires music is and how needs to be done, hence why airplay, cromecast and “super hd” are what they are…

Not sure what you mean with “needs to be done”. By and large, all of the services including Tidal and Qobuz get feeds from the publishers that they relay to you, there’s very little in terms of tailoring that.

[occasionallyhere]

Though you know nothing about my end of the month salary , in the end It’s pure and simple economics 101 (for most of us any way): you need to keep a healthy balance between how much money you make and how much you spend (and that’s because this is the way healthy capitalism should be applied). Just keep in mind that in this equation there is a way much bigger picture that Roon + Tidal + Qobuz + Apple + Amazon + Google + Spotify + AWS and so on.

I am not felling strange at all for wanting the services I chose to use to be cheaper (generally speaking nowadays all audio its way overpriced anyway) and also I really don’t see anything wrong in searching/testing for alternatives. Now how I see fit to balance quality vs. cost, that’s another problem. Personally I’m still on the quality side of the balance (hence why I’ll never go Apple Music or Amazon HD no matter what, including no streaming at all alternative), but then again that’s relative too and it may very well change at any time with real life situations (unemployment is not a myth, for example).