I’ve been working on cleaning up my meta data issues as it applies to linking instances of the same song on different albums. I have found Roon is inflexible when it comes to the composer names and its ability to see instances of the song as the same. This has always been an issue with Roon for the 2+ years I’ve been using it, with each release I hope there is a fix. Here is an example:
The song Cassidy composed by Bob Weir and John Barlow. Sometimes it is stored with the composers listed as Weir, Barlow; sometimes as Barlow, Weir and other times with both first name and last (e.g. Bob Weir, John Barlow). Roon can’t seem to see these different instances as the same song and refuses to link them. My only solution is edit the song meta data (Metadatics) and make them all consistent. Though this might seem a slight inconvenience, it is rather frustrating when there are 30+ instances of the song in my library.
Hello @rayski — Thanks for sharing your observations with us here, we appreciate the feedback!
First, I want to mention that this is an area of Roon that we are actively look into making improvements on. I can’t give specifics or timeframes, but know that this is something we are actively looking into.
For the Bob Weir and John Barlow example you provided above, there may be some manual editing required in Roon to get this working as you’d expect, but we need a little more information to be sure. Can you share screenshots of what you see in Roon for specific instances of this so we can take a closer look?
The first is taken from the CD Sunshine Daydream, the second from the Pacific Northwest boxset, 5/17/1974. Notice that Sunshine Daydream equates 17 versions while the Pacific Northwest version shows 51 instances of the song. I can tell you there are no matches between the 17 and 51, they’re 68 unique versions.
“Sugaree” written by Jerry Garcia and Robert Hunter:
The first is again from Sunshine Day dream and the second from the Grateful Dead Record Collection. Sunshine shows 19 versions while GD Record Collections shows 32. Again these are two unique sets with no intersections.
“Bird Song” written by Jerry Garcia and Robert Hunter:
The first is from Daves Picks Volume 23. Composers are listed as “Barlow, Weir”. Only this instance is recognized. The second is from Road Trips Volume 4, No. 5. Composers are listed as “Weir, Barlow”, there are 31 instances found.
Dylan - I found I could do Searches in Roon on a Song title and find all the instances found by Roon and how they’re grouped. The Roon screen shot provides what it sees as 4 different songs identified by juggling of the Composers, but same composers. Please see the below screen shot:
Pardon me for sticking my oar in and if I’ve misunderstood your complaint, but surely the way you have provided composer names to roon has resulted in individual composers rather than pairs. In your last example there are four
Robert Hunter, Jerry Garcia
Jerry Garcia, Robert Hunter
(This could be checked by browsing composers)
For cases 1 and 3, a better separator in your metadata for multiple composers perhaps?
Ditto 2 and 4 but also Roon, at present, tends not to make assumptions about a composer if only given a surname, and will create a new local one instead.
These are the composer names associated with the songs as provided by through the CDs as they’re looked up by ripping tools (e.g. XLD). I don’t think it is unreasonable for Roon to realize Sugaree by “Robert Hunter, Jerry Garcia” is really the same song by composers “Jerry Garcia, Robert Hunter”. Instead these two versions aren’t grouped together. As you can see from the above screen shot Roon groups 10 instance by Robert Hunter, Jerry Garcia, another 33 versions by Garcia/Hunter and 9 more versions by Jerry Garcia, Robert Hunter.
Slowly I’ve been manually editing the metadata using Metadatics to try and make these identical so they all group. But it’s a pain in the @$$. Furthermore I find for some instances (some) that no matter how I change a song’s composer Roon does not change its composer setting, even after asking Roon to rescan the track with the altered metadata. Not sure why that’s happening for some tracks, but that’s another issue.
Once you’ve done that you could use the merge composers facility to make Garcia the same person as Jerry Garcia, etc. but you’d need to be sure that Russell or Fernando Garcia for example hadn’t been entered as simply Garcia too by your ripping tools.
I agree it would be nice if Roon had used some intelligence and worked out that it was Jerry and Robert as the composers but in practice I think it would be difficult and at present they would probably give it low priority compared to other requests.
Merging composers took care of the Garcia, Jerry Garcia (same with names too) issues, bringing those together. What it doesn’t fix though is Garcia, Hunter verses Hunter, Garcia. Or for that matter Jerry Garcia, Robert Hunter verses Robert Hunter, Jerry Garcia. These, and all other reversed composers in my library still suffer from not being joined, i.e. treated as totally different songs.
Thanks for helping fix some of it though via merged composers. Appreciate the help.
I had a chat with the team about this and we took a look at the examples you’ve provided. For these, it will definitely require some editing of your tags so that these match. Using consistent tagging will definitely get you on the right track.