This is a new question to an old issue: how to force recognition of a composition? The subject album is 11 hours old, but 15-20 compositions are not identified.
One example will explain. The Qobuz album has a piece entered as “Four Sea Interludes from Peter Grimes, Op. 33a: No. 2, Sunday Morning”. I first pulled up the composer’s compositions as follows:
Given this being a Qobuz album, is forcing reocgnition possible?
Are recognitions delayed due to update delays? If so, how long should one wait to confirm that the changes have worked?
This user would expect 100% composition recognition of a reocgnized album, IF there is an exemplar composition in the library (which there is) Am I correct?
This is not really an answer but it might provide something useful if roon are looking at it. I too find it frustrating that after all these years there is no simple manual override to flag a track or group of tracks as a classical composition. For example, like the flag for an artist being a classical composer.
Version 1. Looks like the one you have selected. All work hierarchies but missing compositions.
Version 2. All compositions matched but missing work hierarchies.
Version 3. No credits (composer or performer) but all work hierarchies.
With Version 3 adding composer credits allows you to merge compositions. I hadn’t the patience to test them all but I added Britten to your example and Rossini to the track below which was also an unmatched composition:
Now it is obviously not a solution to wade through an entire box-set adding all the missing credits and also there is no guarantee that it will be possible to match all compositions in any case. But it might be a useful case for roon to find what is going wrong.
You lost me a bit here. The only source I know of, other than my local library, is my Qobuz account. It offers only one version, the one I wrote about. See partial album listing:
The composer names already appeared, requiring no edit or entry by me. Also, your “Sea Interludes” cut appears to be the same title as I ORIGINALLY had, but unlike yours, Roon had not recognised it. So I edited the title to conform with the AllMusic canonical title. Neither title resulted in Roon recognition.
One other note. My “version” of the album has many more recognized compositions than yours. My cuts 1 through 4 are all recognized (see original post), but they all have composer entries.
I sure wish the “fog would lift” on this mystery. Thank you for your interest.
Did you manually re-identify? I would be surprised if your roon was different to mine.
I often manually reidentify Qobuz albums and surprisingly often there are additional choices that match more compositions and/or fix composition hierarchy issues.
Ahh, your explanation cleared things up. And voila! I re-identified and changed the version to the digital download release (Version/Option 2), and every composition, save one, was identified!
Great tip and many thanks!
[However, the “fog” on this subject still hasn’t lifted. ]
But if you look closely at version 2 you will see that although all the compositions are identified, many of the multi-part hierarchies are split. There is no way to edit this out of a Qobuz download.
So the problem is what’s your poison? Personally I find the failure of multi-part hierarchies more annoying than the failure to identify compositions.
I rather suspect that if you have the patience (because all the credits are missing) version 3 after a lot of editing will give the correct result. If it was a single CD I would probably do it but its a box-set so that is way too much of a stretch.
I replied too quickly; the multi-part stuff is bad.
I wonder if Roon has given up on this corner of the market. It parses the multi-part movements correctly more times than not, but what is it about the data that stymies being 100% correct? And what is it about my manual corrections, which “should” work, that are lacking?
Roon, anytime you want to weigh in, please feel free. You are also invited to tell us this mystery will remain unrevealed. We’ll then know not to beat our heads against the proverbial wall.
Yes. I prefer version 1 to version 2 because of that. If you have the patience I rather suspect that version 3 will work both for composition identification and multi-part hierarchies. But it is a mountain of edits.
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